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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Holiness standards is NOT part of the gospel. The gospel is the death-burial-resurrection-return of Christ and our identification with that gospel by obeying Acts 2:38. However after one has obeyed the gospel and become a member of the Lord's church there are Biblical edicts and commands that will make us to be pleasing in His sight and the disobedience of them will cause us to be lost. |
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Originally Posted by Chateau d'If
And there you have it.
Repent.
Be baptized.
Speak in tongues,
And follow all of the standards.
The ultracon way of salvation.
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Is it once saved always saved? Do you think there are some things that we must do to remain saved? Like, for instance, love one another, or be led of the Holy Spirit, or crucify the flesh, or take up our cross, or forgive others, do the first works, maintain a first-love relationship with the Lord, follow Jesus, etc...aren't these things we must do to stay in a right relationship with God?
Would you call those things...standards?
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I think it all funnels down to trust. Am I trusting Him to save me, or am I trusting my own efforts?
If I trust in myself I make a mockery of the cross and am fallen from grace. I am as lost as the sinner who has never responded to the Gospel.
I think all of the things you just mentioned are because of salvation and not for. When we truly trust Him those things occur. Not for salvation, but because of it.
It's much like the fruit of the Spirit. We do not make the fruit, we just allow it to grow. It is the fruit OF THE Spirit. It comes from God. And when we are born again the seed of His Spirit is placed in us. It's only natural that it would grow.
However, it is possible to quench the Spirit. We can choose to stop loving God, and trusting God, and believing in God. I do not believe OSAS, but I think God doesn't let us go as easily and quickly as most Protestants believe.
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