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Originally Posted by good samaritan
How do you get that the wine was the best because of Alcohol? It seems to me that it would be the best because of taste. Another statement was made that the Greek word methyo is only to be enterpreted drunken. How do we really know that "well drank" is not correct.
g3184. μεθύω methyō; from another form of 3178; to drink to intoxication, i. e. get drunk: — drink well, make ( be) drunk (- en).
AV ( 7)- be drunken 5, have well drunk 1, be made drunk 1;
to be drunken
I understand that most places were it is used it means intoxicated, but it doesn't mean that it would have to be all. Just another thought drunkenness and gluttony are often lumped together. I was told as a kid not to drink too many beverages except water because they were not good for me. Excess food and beverages today are bad for you. Even excess amounts of unfermented wine could be bad for you. kidney stones, diabetes, and things the like aren't they caused by drinking a lot of beverages other than water.
Every place we take drunken we always think intoxicated and probably most if not all it is, but there is always the case where we may be wrong and it is referring to the excess of wine and not just the intoxication. You can eat all you want and over time it will kill you, but never get you drunk. Why are they lumped together so much. Could it be because of excess is harmful to you regardless of whether it is intoxicating or not. Could that also be connected to why we are commanded to fast.
The same way I can't prove to you the wine isn't alcoholic at the wedding I don't believe you can prove to me it was. You are right this thread is over to most because I think everyone on here has made up their mind. I will respect anyone, but I will always have trouble putting my confidence in someone's walk with God that choose to drink alcoholic beverages. I know that I can be wrong, but that is just what seeing professing Christians make me feel when they drink alcohol.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
The three words "have well drunk" in your King James Bibles is translated from one Greek word μεθύω which literally means intoxicated.
Jesus first miracle was to create fermented wine from water.
So, for the last 2,000 years when anyone who knew the Greek came across μεθύω they immediately would understand what the writer was trying to say.
In the Latin Vulgate translates the Greek word μεθύω to the Latin word inebriati from where we get the English word "inebriate".
This debate is over.
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This isn't over because of agendas are rock solid in some people's minds, this debate is finished because the Bible says Jesus' first miracle was changing water into FERMENTED WINE.
With all due respect please don't be offended but I think you missed all the evidence which is being presented that wine is fermented in the scripture. Yet, to wrest the plain scripture IS just useless, in the original text it most certainly uses the Greek word for intoxication, which is μεθύω. In the vulgar Latin it is inebriati. So, deny it all you want, but the holy writ isn't with you on this.
GAME OVER
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