Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

You're saying that the same "self" (person) that prayed to the Father is the same "self" (person) as the Father. That means He'd speak with a singular sense of "self". "Hello, me. I'd like to ask me to glorify me with my own self." "I and me are one." lol

It doesn't work that way. If a "mode" (as you call it) has a distinct sense of self, that "mode" has a distinct "personhood" and is therefore a distinct "person" with a distinct line of thought, will, and ability to reason. And that's what we see in the Son.

Yes it does work that way and no he would not do that. Why? As explained He existed as both Father AND Son at the same time with two distinct natures

He really was God as the Father and God incarnate as the Son (Deity united with Humanity)

BTW, I don't care for analogies but if you've ever followed science fiction and Quantum Mechanics, maybe you can see how one Person can be in two distinct dimensions or time frames and communication with each other. Same Person

In Oneness the Father is God existing transcendentally and the Son Temporally

One is outside of all constraints and the other is a part of Creation

One functions through the Divine will and the other through the Human will.

Yes ontologically it is possible and YES grammatically it's demanded. When Jesus prays he does not pray to the Son. He prays to the Father in heaven. He has a human will and human brain and a humanized perception of everything so why wouldn't he have a perception of the Father as if the Father were someone other than himself?

Let me approach it this way. Your idea of Person is one way but Person can also include the idea of being, the WHOLE Person

And so while they are the same self conscious individual they are not necessarily the same Being (referring to essence)

So the Father is the Divine Being and the Son with the Human nature is functionally a Human being

There is One Person (Your idea) that Personifies both natures and both "Beings"

The word Being simply means "exist" and Nature explains how we persons exist.

God (Person) exists as both God and Man