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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Parable? So, in Ezekiel 16:4 when babies were in the ancient middle east, they didn't really cut the umbilical cord, wash the child, salt the child prior to her first swaddling? Also unwanted children were never left out for exposure Ezekiel 16:6?
If you were a honest individual you would say, of course the ancient eastern people did those things mentioned. Therefore you would agree the rest of the story (while symbolic) deals with issues those living at the time of its writings would understand. God was entering into a marriage contract "covenant" with the people, His bride.
Ezekiel 16:8
Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, THY TIME WAS THE TIME OF LOVE; and I SPREAD MY SKIRT over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into A COVENANT with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou BECAMEST MINE.
From verses 9-13 Ezekiel describes a bride adorned for her husband, and in verse 14 Ezekiel describes how the Gentiles heard about her beauty which God had placed upon her.
Am I implying that ALL Christianity was made up? No, because you would have to prove that across the board 53 year old men were taking nine year old wives and impregnating them throughout all Christianity from the first century to the nineteenth century. Unlike Islam which had to compile Hadith to build an actual religion, the scripture is enough to understand what God is trying to convey to us. But isn't that what the Quran says also?
Interesting how Mohammed had to pass away in order for the multitude of Hadith to pop up. Would Mohammed have approved of the many Hadith which came after his death? Not if he was the messenger of the Quran which held these verses, Surat Az-Zumar 39:23, Surat Al-Jāthiyah 45:6-11? So, while you want to point out innovations in Christendom, try to point out the innovations of your own religion. Innovations which started since the death of its original fabricator.
So, back to the discussion of your religious fabricator...
Walks, Surat Al-'Aĥzāb 33:21 says that Mohammed is your excellent example one which should be emulated. Aisha says in Sahih Bukhari 7. 62. 65 that Mohammed consummated the marriage while she was nine years old. Aisha also says in Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234 that she became ill, her hair fell out (probably traumatized), then when it started to grow again, Aisha's mother grabbed her (Aisha explains how she was terrified) frightened that the mother had to rub water in her face. Medinan women then take the young frightened nine year old girl to prepare her for 53 year old man, telling the child how fortunate she will be with the 53 year old man. Mohammed is said to have "unexpectedly" show up, Aisha's mother then takes Aisha hands her over to the 53 year old man so he can consummate his wife in marriage.
In Sunni commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13 the writers attempt to explain why Aisha is playing with dolls since they are forbidden to be used by older girls. What is explained to the readers concerning Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151 is that nine year old Aisha was pre pubescent nine year old, and therefore still allowed to play with dolls. Clearly in the chapter of Ezekiel I offered you, that isn't the case. Israel is symbolically shown as a bride, who is fully formed and ready to enter covenant. Yet, in Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151 Aisha is playing with her little friends, with dolls. The Sunni commentary of Sahih al-Bukhari, clearly explains that Mohammed was with a nine year old who wasn't yet in puberty.
Therefore this is why Walks in "whatever" condones 53 year old men with young pre pubescent girls?
Do you Walks?
A simple yes or no will suffice. |
No. What was acceptable in the 8th century is no longer applicable to today.
Were you assuming that all Muslims believe the same things? As you say christianity has "evolved", so has Islam.
You should peek into Islamic law before you assume that "child marriage is mainstream".
http://www.academia.edu/6760706/Marr...ge_Islamic_Law
Unfortunately no phonics for you. You will have to struggle through it without them. Wait, you don't open links. Facts terrify you.
Let's summarize.
The range of marriageable ages for males extends from 15 years according to
the Hanbali, the Shafi’i and the Jafari schools to 17 or 18 years in Hanafi and Maliki teaching.
For female spouses, the range of marriageable ages extends from a high of 17 years, as represented by the Hanafi school, to 15 years according to both Shafi’i and Hanbali opinion, and down to as little as nine years according to Jafari teaching.
My wife is from Indonesia (most populous Muslim country). In her particular country the minimum marriage age is 16.
Erasmus was the old devil who sort of "rushed his new testament translations into print" resulting in a translation error or two. Carried into the german translations etc etc LOL. Did not find any record that this scholar who could translate Greek and Latin scriptures really identified and spoke up about the REAL meaning of the parable about God and Israel.
He missed it too.
Previously discussed:
Jewish law at the time of Jesus
Canon law
Laws in Colonial America
Did I miss some critical period of time? LOL I guess I did
(Erasmus) "it isn�t rare to see, esp among the French, a girl hardly ten years old married, and a mother at 11"
I know one thing. I have asked you all for that elusive time in history when the christian church wrote down or documented this interpretation of that parable more times than you have asked me what I am "doing here". So far zilch. So marriage age per the church magically appeared in the last 200 years. (actually the last hundred). Why so long if Ezekiel specified it?
If you were an honest individual you would note that this is a symbolic story and not meant to be, intended to be, or about anything but Israel's idolatry at the time of Ezekiel. But after the feminists got the marriage ages raised in the 19th century it IS a cool source (the ONLY one at that) for you to go back and 'discover' "that's how it was meant to be anyway".
Unless you have something else? Anything?
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