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Old 10-25-2015, 04:46 PM
Pliny Pliny is offline
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Re: Your tithes were already paid.

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Originally Posted by Russ Kelly View Post
1.The HOLY tithe, as the word is used by Moses, Nehemiah, Malachi and Jesus, was always only FOOD inside God's HOLY land. Don't just disagree -- give me texts please.

2. MONEY WAS NOT TITHED: Although money in the form of gold and silver existed in the Bible and was essential for sanctuary/temple worship, money was never included in any of the 16 descriptions of the holy tithe.

One argument to support non-food tithing is that money was not universally available and barter from food was used for money. That argument misses the point! While it is undeniable that food was also used for barter, it is also undeniable that money was never used for tithing.

Genesis alone contains the word money in 32 texts and the word occurs 44 times before the holy tithe is described in Leviticus 27:30-34. The words jewelry, gold, silver and shekel also appear often from Genesis to Deuteronomy.

Abram was very rich in silver and gold (Gen 13:2); money in the form of silver shekels paid for slaves (Gen 17:12+); Abimelech gave Abraham 1000 pieces of silver (Gen 20:16); Abraham paid 400 pieces of silver for land (Gen 23:9-16); Joseph was sold for silver pieces (Gen 37:28); slaves bought freedom (Lev 25:47-53). Court fines (Ex 21 all; 22 all), sanctuary dues (Ex 30:12+), vows (Lev 27:3-7), poll taxes (Numb 3:47+), alcoholic drinks (Deut 14:26) and marriage dowries (Deut 22:29) included money.

Joseph gave Benjamin 300 pieces of silver (Gen 45:22). In Genesis 47:15-17, food was used for barter only after money had been spent. Banking and usury laws exist in Leviticus even before tithing. Therefore money was common. Yet, from God’s inspired Word, the holy contents from Leviticus to Luke never include money from non-food products and trades. Pagan money with pagan images could not be brought into the temple as offerings.

If you disagree, please give texts.

3. Money with any pagan image or language on it was not accepted at the OT temple. It was exchanged for worthless temple money."Whose image is on it?

4. You say tithing under the Law is irrelevant. Why? The Law's description is used by Moses, Malachi and Jesus? Was it irrelevant to them. Your man-made description is irrelevant to me.

5. Tithing, child sacrifice, temple prostitution and sodomy all preceded the law and were world-wide. That doesn't make them eternal moral principles.
I will try to get to this some time this week. I am very busy and I am sure you are as well. Since I am here and have but a couple moments I will ask this:
You have stated that money is used in the text of Genesis 32 times. The term used is a translation.

The term "money" for example is the Hebrew word keseph.
According to BDB
BDB Definition:
1) silver, money
1a) silver
1a1) as metal
1a2) as ornament
1a3) as colour
1b) money, shekels, talents

Also in Genesis it states: (Gen 43:21 KJV) And it came to pass, when we came to the inn, that we opened our sacks, and, behold, every man's money was in the mouth of his sack, our money in full weight: and we have brought it again in our hand.

The "money" was not currency. It was precious metals that was weighed out in bartering. Currency, as is known in the 21st century was not in existence until the end of the OT. The Bible was not written in a vacuum as you well know. It was written in a historical context. The context of money then is not even close to today.

BTW there is no need for you to get testy with me. I have been respectful of you.
(Your man-made description is irrelevant to me)

Abraham did not practice child sacrifice, temple prostitution or sodomy. Therein lies the difference. He did practice tithing.

Last edited by Pliny; 10-25-2015 at 04:53 PM.
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