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Originally Posted by mfblume
I in no manner feel proud of who I think is lost while I am saved. That is nothing to do with my point, and I have made that known throughout these discussions. You just rejected my explanation about that.
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well, i'm lobbing grenades at it, yes. To me, it reeks of lack of humility, and/or self-servitude, and/or false superiority. "While i am saved?" Who lied to you, and told you that you were saved? You are not saved, and i can prove this with Scripture. Definitively. I would not describe myself as saved, either, although there were multiple decades when i would have.
I'm also having issues with "who i think is lost," for more or less the same reason; you believe you somehow have got a bead on who is saved or lost, and this is a dangerous, self serving position. None of these people has "held out to the end." I can make a case for many who you would surely term saved having not even begun holding out at all yet--they don't even know what holding out means, perhaps.
I am trying to imagine the case where "I, who am saved, humbly feel for those who don't believe as i do, and are lost" would not be accompanied by crocodile tears; and i can't. I can remember experiencing this perception, and of course "pride" is not how any Christian would describe it, once they know that "pride" is a code-word to be avoided, but that is pretty much full blown lack of humility regardless. Of course it is all Scripturally, factually justified; "proven," if you will. By ignoring some other Scripture--lots of other Scripture.
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