Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well that is why i included "more literal interpretation" in there, Mike, i'm not trying to make anything true that is not. I think it is worth acknowledging, as we customarily ask after peoples' state of salvation,

Who is there around here who customarily asks people of the state of their salvation?

and we customarily receive an answer that we accept at face value, or judge on its merits, right? "Yes, he was saved in 1969," or "No, he isn't saved, he's a Baptist," like that.

It matters not what denomination one is in, but whether or not one believes what the word actually, says. And just because one is sincere and thinks their interpretation is correct, it's still their interpretation. God does not let us arbitrarily claim what His word means. He has a single meaning He intends to relate by His word, and we must pray and sincerely study to learn what that is., realizing we may have a misinterpretation. This is what I remind my congregation about every now and then.

wadr i would say that you presume quite a lot.

I think the same of you. That's why I always go back to the word and compare your ideas with mine and allow challenges FROM THAT WORD to show each of us who is correct. But you never do that. you run.

You presume you are saved despite Scripture,

Wrong. iu believe I am saved because of what ALL scripture says about it. But you claim the cross is not necessary, despite your claims to the contrary, and I will show you how you do that. Really sly, you know, but you have a way, don't you?

and you presume everyone else is lost despite Scripture,

Nope. Nothing I do is done despite scripture.

when i pick the Scriptures, but you can surely find justification for these if i am not here and you get to pick all the Scripture that makes your point. Of course i do these too, have pretty much all my life, but i'm seeing the trap there now.

If repeatedly offer you to BE HERE and pick scriptures and discuss them. You refuse.

I mean, how do you treat verses like "any spirit that admits Christ came in the flesh is from God?" don't you effectively ignore them for the sake of your doctrine?

I already answered that. See? You do not read what I write. Rather convenient, I know. But not honest.

Let me answer that passage again! (sigh)

The scripture that states antichrist denies Christ came in flesh must be read in conjunction with all references to both antichrist and how he came in flesh. You faithfully cherry pick scripture and remove the context away from it. When I hold your feet to the fire to deal with context you run away never respond and then casually mention the cherry picked passage again weeks later as if I never responded to it, like you just did here now.

Here goes again:

The first mention of antichrist:

1Jn 2:18-25 KJV Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (19) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (20) But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. (21) I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. (22) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (23) Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. (24) Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. (25) And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Antichrist is directly related to denial of the Father and the Son. The Koran teaches GOD CANNOT HAVE CHILDREN, and the online muslim with whom I spoke said I was lost because I believed God begat a Son. For the Koran says God did not beget a Son neither has he the ability to do so... ever.

They say: "Allah has begotten a Son". Glory be to Him! His is what the heavens and the earth contain; all things are obedient to Him. Creator of the heavens and the earth! When he decrees a thing, He need only say "Be", and it is.
—Qur'an 2:116

God only speaks but never BEGETS, it claikms.

Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth; how can He have a son when He has no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.
—Qur'an 6:101

The Jews say Ezra is the son of God, while the Christians say the Messiah is the son of God. Such are their assertions, by which they imitate the infidels of old. God confound them! How perverse they are!
—Qur’an 9:30

They say, ‘God has begotten a son.’ God forbid! Self-sufficient is He. His is all that the heavens and the earth contain. Surely for this you have no sanction. Whould you say of God what you know not?
—Qur’an 10:68

Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, which they still doubt. God forbid that He Himself should beget a son! When He decrees a thing He need only say: ‘Be,’ and it is.
—Qur’an 19:35

Those who say: ‘The Lord of Mercy has begotten a son,’ preach a monstrous falsehood, at which the very heavens might crack, the earth break asunder, and the mountains crumble to dust. That they should ascribe a son to the Merciful, when it does not become the Lord of Mercy to beget one!
—Qur’an 19:88

Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’
We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.

Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods!
—Qur’an 23:91

Surely they lie when they declare: "Allah has begotten children".
—Qur'an 37:151

He (exalted be the glory of our Lord!) has taken no wife, nor has He begotten any children. The Blaspheming One among us has uttered a wanton falsehood against God, although we had supposed no man or jinee could tell of Him what is untrue.
—Qur'an 72:3

Say: ‘GOD is One, the Eternal God. He begot none, nor was He begotten. None is equal to Him.’
—Qur’an 112:1-4

The Koran denies God begat a Son, and the bible says God begat a Son.

Psa 2:7 KJV I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

The Koran teaches people to DENY the FATHER AND THE SON. For in denying Jesus is begotten of the God is to deny Jesus is God's Son and to deny God is Christ's Father.

So, antichrist is denial of the Father and the Son. The Koran says anyone who says God begat a Son is a liar. the Koran calls the bible a lie.

And when we read Antichrist denies Christ came in the flesh it is related to 1 John 2 where we also read antichrist denies Father and Son, for the two references to what antichrist does in one chapter as well as the other chapter are form the single book written by John the apostle. And they mean the same thing. So when we read antichrist denies Christ came in the flesh it also means for us to understand Christ came in the flesh by having been begotten of God. the Koran patently teaches people to deny Christ was begotten by God, and therefore denies HOW Christ came in the flesh.