Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The good Samaritan:

Luke 10:29-37

Jesus told the story of the good Samaritan in answer to the lawyer's question of who his neighbour was, after Jesus told him to love his neighbour as himself. The story explains the neighbour and doing good to the neighbour. And Jesus explained how doing good to EVERYONE, muslims, included, is what we should be doing. He never implied our neighbours are not lost. ANd He clearly taught we could only have eternal life if we believe on HIm and His name for salvation through the work of the cross.

The interesting this is that in many cases Jesus urged people to try to save themselves by good works, knowing no one could be THAT good. That was the case with the rich young ruler as well. He told the man to sell all he had and give to the poor to be perfect. When asked how anyone could be saved, after making the directive, Jesus said with man this is impossible. But with God all things are possible.

Anyway, the good Samaritan shows us how we should be good to all whom we meet and know. ANd saying people are lost in no way violates that directive.

yes, it does, and the fact that you are still trying to justify it, and pretending you are not responsible for your government while encouraging people to vote, and pretending that you are qualified to determine salvation when you have fallen short of proving what salvation even is--even though in your mind you prolly won all those points--is just indicative of the problem, not proof that it does not exist.

You make some decent points at the other passages, and while i don't agree with your conclusions i'm glad that you are at least considering them now, sort of. I think it is great that one have a belief system that produces fruit for them, and supports their faith; ours tells us that "strongmen" will infiltrate us and impose their own agenda outside of what was "sufficient for them," and if someone lacks humility, is easily offended, demands a literal interpretation, and suggests everyone who does not believe in lock-step with them is lost, i think one owes it to themselves to let the Holy Spirit guide them, and be skeptical of the strongman.

You can say "they are all lost" all you like, but you then have to address the charge that you are lost, or demonstrate how you are saved, and you have tried admirably to do that, and it even works as long as you ignore a lot of Scripture, but i think we have seen that this is not a one-dimensional concept, and the best men can do is approximate some understanding of it for themselves; it is God who judges your heart, but no one knows where they go when they die, even if many will confidently assure you that they can.

You are right if the doctrine that you believe, which was developed after what was sufficient for them was proclaimed, will be required of Muslims; but you are wrong if there is a spiritual understanding that you have overlooked in pursuit of some more perfect way that turns "love your neighbor as yourself" into "of course all Catholics are lost."