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Re: Elephant in the room - accusation of judging
well, i hope you see that i never suggested that the cross is not necessary for salvation; i only suggest that we were warned that strong men will attempt to define this for you, and develop doctrines to remove its spiritual implications, and perfectly reasonable explanations why "Love your neighbor" is not adequate.
Pretending that you are qualified to determine if someone else is lost or not is intrinsic to your understanding of loving them, and you were silent when WII remarked sarcastically how obvious it was that you were moved by concern for Muslims, for good reason; it would have been ludicrous to make that assertion in that place, and it is equally ridiculous now, because it is patently untrue, and we can go look at your collective missionary outreach to currently suffering Muslims if we want to get some idea of your love for them; we don't need to rely on anyone's pious statements for that, mine included.
i just need to believe the Bible, i just don't know the Bible, and therefore can't relate it properly; and you are just a humble guy, and i am just misunderstanding you, surely. Perhaps the Holy Spirit is insufficient, and i need a priest? If you still believe that all Catholics are lost though, none of that is really important, is it? You have to decide that for yourself, and if you have found some way to justify what the rest of your world already believes, and that works for you, who am i to say you are wrong? And if you are silenced or flummoxed by Scripture that suggests otherwise, well, you can always just claim "context" or some such, or bail out til later, or obfuscate, as none of these mean much by themselves.
If you think "everyone is lost who does not believe like i do" and our government's policies that are amazingly similar are just a coincidence, what is that to me? We reap what we sow; who can argue with that? The one who does what is right is righteous; do what is right. The righteous also perish.
If I tell a righteous person that they will surely live, but then they trust in their righteousness and do evil, none of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered; they will die for the evil they have done!
So my meaning is, personal differences aside, what if you are wrong? What if God's yardstick is different than yours?
Last edited by shazeep; 06-04-2016 at 02:03 PM.
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