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Old 08-15-2018, 12:44 AM
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Re: Demons and the believer

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Well, what you were told, (not taught) was wrong. I notice that you hoisted up the KJV? Usually you post ESV? But anyway, this is a funeral song. Right? A lament for a dead king. So, Ezekiel is told by God to write a song about a DEAD NO LONGER LIVING KING. Let's keep that in mind, shall we? Ezekiel 28:8 concerning the prophecy is that his death will be at sea. He dies and is laid in a watery grave. The king is told that he is wise, and that his wisdom acquired him riches Ezekiel 28:4. then because of this wealth through business he becomes proud and calls himself a god. Like all other kings before him, and after him with call themselves deity. From the Egyptian Pharaoh to the Roman Caesar. Ezekiel 28:7 then has the prophet informing the king that enemies from the surrounding nations come to kill this king, and take everything he worked for. Hence his death in the middle of the seas, which could be poetic language for multitudes of the nations which come to attack him. But for all you literalists we will deep six the old boy to Davy Jones' Locker. Ezekiel 28:9 has this king begging for his life before he dies. Ezekiel 28:10 says that this king was circumcised? You can't be disparaged with the comment of uncircumcised if you are already uncircumcised. Therefore again he is told about who will kill him, foreigners. Now, after Ezekiel 28:10 we start his funeral dirge.

We have to keep in mind that the scripture is using poetic language to describe that the king starts out good but ends up bad. His bad was lawlessness due to his greed in commerce, he was made wealthy and that wealth is what caused his problems. Also in Ezekiel 28:18 we aren't told of one sanctuary, but this king defiled many sanctuaries. Which were his? Satan had sanctuaries? In Eden? Near the fig tree, or the domestic olive tree?
Did Eve have a Bible study with a serpent which was more subtle than any of the beasts of the field? Or did she have a Bible study with a many winged cherub, encrusted with jewelry and gold? Was he made to slither away to eat the dust, or was he killed immediately? Is his name Lucifer in Latin? Which is just bright morning star which then Jesus is also called Lucifer in the Spanish Bibles and the Latin Vulgate.

Interesting is the verse in Ezekiel 28:18 Good News Translation (GNT)

You did such evil in buying and selling that your places of worship were corrupted. So I set fire to the city and burned it to the ground. All who look at you now see you reduced to ashes.

Sound like anything familiar in the New Testament? But still we are talking about a king which is attributed as having favor once with God's blessings. But made a choice through lawlessness and greed to commit evil, and therefore God kills him. What really confuses people is the Hebrew is unclear in Ezekiel 28:14.

LXX makes it clear that from the day that thou wast created thou wast WITH the cherub: I set thee on the holy mount of God; thou wast in the midst of the stones of fire. Other English versions also follow this because the Hebrew was so unclear.

New Century Version
I appointed a living creature to guard you. I put you on the holy mountain of God. You walked among the gems that shined like fire. Bible in Basic English
I gave you your place with the winged one; I put you on the mountain of God; you went up and down among the stones of fire.

George Lamsa Translation of the Peshitta
You were with the anointed cherub that shelters; and I have set you on the holy mountain of God; and you were safe in the midst of the stones of fire.

In the targum for Ezekiel that the stones of fire are the people of God. Again poetic language.

Good News Translation
I put a terrifying angel there to guard you. You lived on my holy mountain and walked among sparkling gems.

New Century Version
I appointed a living creature to guard you. I put you on the holy mountain of God. You walked among the gems that shined like fire.

New Revised Standard
With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire.

Cherry picking the chapter to suit some made up story which is found no where in the Bible. Is more agenda then seeking Biblical truth.
Almost sounds like the prince (and people?) of Tyre had a close connection with Israel, Jerusalem, Zion, and the Temple. Might explain David and Solomon's close connection with Hiram? Who were the people of Tyre?
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