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Originally Posted by Aquila
Here's what I was taught.
First, we must admit that Ezekiel is prophesying against the "King of Tyrus". However some interesting things are said of him that are not true of any man:
Ezekiel 28:11-19 King James Version (KJV)
11 Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. None of the following can be said of a mere man. (Take into consideration that God just spent several verses explaining to the Prince of Tyrus that he wasn't a god, now, suddenly, the King was a cherub.):
- He seals up the sum of wisdom and is perfect in beauty.
- He is said to have been in "Eden the garden of God". (Genesis 2)
- He was covered in gems and musical instruments were prepared in his very being, implying his musical nature.
- He is referred to as the "anointed cherub that covereth" a reference going back to the cheubs on the mercy seat of the ark, where God was present, and worship is given before the very presence of God.
- God set him in this place of esteem and honor.
- He dwelt upon the holy mountain of God, and walked among the stones of fire (as Moses on Sinai, implying a face to face relationship in God's presence)
- He was perfect in his ways from the day he was created (not born), until iniquity was "found" in him, indicating he originally had no sin.
- His sin of pride regarding his beauty and brightness causes God to promise to cast him down before kings, in the destruction of the King of Tyrus. Most, if not all of these things cannot be said of any earthly King. He was never in Eden. He was never created with music in his very being, he was never created and not born, he was never sinless, he was never a holy cherub in the face to face presence of God. These things can only be said of the ancient demonic power abiding within this pagan king.
And so, through this prophecy that identifies this king with the ancient demonic spirit possessing this king, we glean insight on the nature of Satan himself. |
Well, what you were told, (not taught) was wrong. I notice that you hoisted up the KJV? Usually you post ESV? But anyway, this is a funeral song. Right? A lament for a dead king. So, Ezekiel is told by God to write a song about a DEAD NO LONGER LIVING KING. Let's keep that in mind, shall we?
Ezekiel 28:8 concerning the prophecy is that his death will be at sea. He dies and is laid in a watery grave. The king is told that he is wise, and that his wisdom acquired him riches
Ezekiel 28:4. then because of this wealth through business he becomes proud and calls himself a god. Like all other kings before him, and after him with call themselves deity. From the Egyptian Pharaoh to the Roman Caesar.
Ezekiel 28:7 then has the prophet informing the king that enemies from the surrounding nations come to kill this king, and take everything he worked for. Hence his death in the middle of the seas, which could be poetic language for multitudes of the nations which come to attack him. But for all you literalists we will deep six the old boy to Davy Jones' Locker.
Ezekiel 28:9 has this king begging for his life before he dies.
Ezekiel 28:10 says that this king was circumcised? You can't be disparaged with the comment of uncircumcised if you are already uncircumcised. Therefore again he is told about who will kill him, foreigners. Now, after
Ezekiel 28:10 we start his funeral dirge.
We have to keep in mind that the scripture is using poetic language to describe that the king starts out good but ends up bad. His bad was lawlessness due to his greed in commerce, he was made wealthy and that wealth is what caused his problems. Also in
Ezekiel 28:18 we aren't told of one sanctuary, but this king defiled many sanctuaries. Which were his? Satan had sanctuaries? In Eden? Near the fig tree, or the domestic olive tree?
Did Eve have a Bible study with a serpent which was more subtle than any of the beasts of the field? Or did she have a Bible study with a many winged cherub, encrusted with jewelry and gold? Was he made to slither away to eat the dust, or was he killed immediately? Is his name Lucifer in Latin? Which is just bright morning star which then Jesus is also called Lucifer in the Spanish Bibles and the Latin Vulgate.
Interesting is the verse in
Ezekiel 28:18 Good News Translation (GNT)
You did such evil in buying and selling that your places of worship were corrupted. So I set fire to the city and burned it to the ground. All who look at you now see you reduced to ashes.
Sound like anything familiar in the New Testament? But still we are talking about a king which is attributed as having favor once with God's blessings. But made a choice through lawlessness and greed to commit evil, and therefore God kills him. What really confuses people is the Hebrew is unclear in
Ezekiel 28:14.
LXX makes it clear that from the day that thou wast created thou wast WITH the cherub: I set thee on the holy mount of God; thou wast in the midst of the stones of fire. Other English versions also follow this because the Hebrew was so unclear.
New Century Version
I appointed a living creature to guard you. I put you on the holy mountain of God. You walked among the gems that shined like fire. Bible in Basic English
I gave you your place with the winged one; I put you on the mountain of God; you went up and down among the stones of fire.
George Lamsa Translation of the Peshitta
You were with the anointed cherub that shelters; and I have set you on the holy mountain of God; and you were safe in the midst of the stones of fire.
In the targum for Ezekiel that the stones of fire are the people of God. Again poetic language.
Good News Translation
I put a terrifying angel there to guard you. You lived on my holy mountain and walked among sparkling gems.
New Century Version
I appointed a living creature to guard you. I put you on the holy mountain of God. You walked among the gems that shined like fire.
New Revised Standard
With an anointed cherub as guardian I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the stones of fire.
Cherry picking the chapter to suit some made up story which is found no where in the Bible. Is more agenda then seeking Biblical truth.
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