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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
There is a problem with your assessment of what trinnys believe. It is their own creed.
One God, three persons.
Coequal, coeternal, coexistent.
Doesn't sound like a different understanding. Sounds like a different doctrine.
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Originally Posted by Chan
Trinitarians didn't start using the word "person" of "persons" in the trinity until it came to exist in the English language (which did not exist at the time the Nicene fathers formulated the Nicene and Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creeds). The Nicene and Ante-Nicene fathers used the Greek word prosopon or the Latin word persona to individually describe Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In the fifth century, Cyril insisted that hypostasis should be used in the places of prosopon, contrary to the way hypostasis is used in Hebrews 1:3 for God alone and not individually for Father, Son and Holy Spirit. |
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Originally Posted by Chan
Which of the early Creeds (the Nicene, Nicene-Constantinopolitan) says "one God, three persons" or "co-equal, co-eternal, co-existent"? Quoting from the Athanasian Creed (which was not written by Athanasius and didn't even come about until a couple of centuries later) doesn't count.
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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK
You know I have read the creed and talk with many people that have studied on it. There is a common denominator in these discussions. Most of them believe that when it is using the term "three persons" that it is accually meant to be that the word "persons" should have been manifestaions. That it was not intended to be the word "persons" as we understand it today. Like you, MOW and I are three different people. It was intended to mean three offices or manifestations.
Also with the Co's, it was intended to be that the offices of God are Coequal, Coeternal, and Coexistent from the mindset that if Jesus is Father, Son and Spirit that He did not stop being the Father when He came as Jesus and was never the Spirit until Jesus died. It accually means that God is all the Co's because He is all of the offices, manifestations, persons, forms, etc. all at one time. It is not intended that there is three individual bodies 1 God, 2 Jesus, 3 Spirit. It is accually saying that He can exist in all forms at all times.
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But Brother, if they may mean to agree with our thinking why are they so vehemently predisposed to call us a cult because of our view on the Godhead? The reason is that modern trinitarianism views the term "persons" to represent what we normally think of a person as. Distinction. Not in manifestation - but in presence of being.
We can all talk about what was ORIGINALLY MEANT by trinitarians but the simple truth is we are all left with what is presently accepted by modern trinitarians. That is the One God-three persons ideal. Coequal, coexistent, coeternal.
Surely none of you deny the reality that orthodox trinitarianism accepts the notion of God in three persons?
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