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Originally Posted by Believer
I'm deleting some of this because its to long.
lets be clear... the church are not heretics, it is heretics that try to enter into the church and change its doctrine.
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i.e. the catholic church and the trinitarian doctrine??? If you AGREE with the catholic church and dogma, then anything disagreeing with it would be heresy... but if you DO NOT agree with the catholic dogma, then NOT EVERYTHING that isn't compliant is necessarily heresy. Now let me ask you a question. Do you agree with, and wholeheartedly subscribe to, the dogma, decrees, and doctrines of the Catholic church? If not, then YOU sir (and ME) are a heretic in their eyes!!!!
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Originally Posted by Believer
You seem to think that the 6th or 7th century Catholic church was the same church as the 1st-5th? The Church was given the name Catholic because it was universal. You're beef is with the Roman Catholic church.
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The 6th or 7th century Catholic church preserved and venerated writings and teaching that supported it's conclusions then, and destroyed and disregarded writings and teaching that opposed it's perspective. The "history" was in effect "rewritten" in retrospect to support the 6th-7th century Catholic church's dogma...
This type of rewriting history has occurred many times in history. Think of the library in Alexandria being set ablaze? Entire volumes of human history was wiped out, to be rewritten by the victors.
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Originally Posted by Believer
These men you hold in high esteem were consider heretics and were given the boot, just as the Oneness were by the AOG in 1916. The difference is, the teachings of Sebellius, Noetus died out. No matter how you slice this, the teaching of Oneness theology in whatever form you wish to present it, was only taught by very few men. It was never a Church doctrine!
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Let's start by saying this: the men, whose early writing many trinitarians appeal to, were given the boot as well. For instance, Hippolytus was rejected and led a schismatic movement against Biship Callistus or Rome. Tertullian became a Montanist and the church of his day excommunicated him, Origen was excommunicated by the bishop of Alexandria etc. etc. etc. Which one of the "highly esteemed" trinitarians are we to appeal to in support of what is ecclesiastical doctrine? Actually, if you do a thorough study of history, Sabellius, Noetus, and monarchians were very properous in many areas of the world throughout history. Monarchianism WAS the only church doctrine until around the late 2nd century...
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