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Originally Posted by tbpew
Casting a vision.
What does that mean in general and REALLY what does that mean in the context of understanding the operation of authority.
If Rico is in setting where no one else presently sees a field of souls in the prisons, does he have a vision that is completely void of any rebellion to any authority in the Kingdom of God? If a person has a vision for a work in the Kingdom of God that is not shared by a Pastor, teacher, Elder or Bishop, is that person in harms way? I think most would probably say…NO...with a truckload of caveats.
But, if a pastor or teacher or elder or bishop ‘casts a vision’ what does that pastor or teacher or elder or bishop expect of those people who are involved with his life? I think the general expectation by such a person is that these folks will labor in the yoke WITH HIM to see his vision come to pass.
Is that the way God set things up? Do I have a VISION if I am laboring to see someone else’s vision come to pass. Shouldn’t vision involve ME SEEING something for myself?
I submit that if I enjoin myself to somebody else’s vision, I have not seen anything and I am following a man’s vision and over time will become a disciple of the person whose vision I am co-laboring with to see come to pass.
Just a few basics that most already know.
1. CASTING a vision is not witnessed or prompted in scripture.
2. Where NO vision the people perish, but this negative is contrasted with…. KEEPING the law makes one happy. Is this the basis for people who see themselves as RULERs casting a vision?
3. Working out my own salvation with fear and trembling can not be linked or predicated upon a pastor having a VISION. That would require God to be respecter of persons.
See this is why it all rolls up to this establishing premise that we are saved by OBEYING the guy God put over us as our RULER. I’d guess most folks who presently believe they have the RULE pertaining to other members of the Body of Christ do not actually want this responsibility. But since they probably believe this to be their role, a vision of what kind of things should be going on is an important part. The good faith bargain is that if we do what we are told, we will be welcomed by God into heaven because we were obedient to do what the guy with the vision said we should do toward the fulfillment of his vision. That whole deal scares me a whole lot.
Will your pastor’s vision save you if you have no vision of your own?
If you need a vision, how does your vision get reconciled when your RULER does not share the vision?
Is authority in operation when a vision is cast?
Do we see a scriptural admonition to cast visions for other folks?
Interesting stuff that gets so little consideration in our thoughts because these phrases become familiar clichés.
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Um, what is so wrong about becoming a part of your pastor's vision? Didn't Paul say to follow him as he followed Christ? I mean, I don't want to do this totally by myself. I am hoping to find others who are willing to share this ministry with me.
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