Are Apostolics Wise?

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Partly, it infers that God does not impart the gifts with the Holy Spirit. I understand wisdom comes with time, experience, learning, etc. But, biblically, wisdom is a gift of the Holy Spirit. (previous post)

Correct. Look at it like this: I could give you a CNC milling machine, you would have it, it would be yours. But it would take some time and study for you to operate the gift I gave you. Since I used a tool as analogy, and you used Bezaleel in another post. Bezaleel was already a seriously talented crafter, the wisdom God imparted to him was the ability to do the work according to the fashion God directed. I have seen dozens of models of the ark of the covanent....all built from the description of scripture, and all different. None of these modelers had what God gave Bezaleel. I have put some time and effort over the years in pondering Bezaleel. He is definately one of the heaviest dudes in scripture.

Same with us tho, we need to Holy Ghost to be complete, it takes both Word and Spirit to make a life the Jesus wants built[/quote]

As you read the previous passages of text, we see God does impart wisdom supernaturally. If men claim to be filled with he Holy Ghost, claim to have all truth, claim to have superior understanding to salvation, why then are they so ignorant?

How are they ignorant? Is their ignorance judged by scripture? By suposition? What defines ignorance? According to some folks I am absolutely ignorant because I take Peter's preaching in Acts 2:38 at absolute face value and don't try and interpret anything into it, and figure when he echoed that to Cornelius that he knew what he was doing. Hey, Maybe Peter was ignorant.

Jesus was 12 years old and confounded the teachers of the temple; supernatural wisdom.

Jesus was also the messiah, he was wisdom given life, breath and human form. And besides God can work his will any way, anyhow and any when with whatever he chooses to work that will with.

I really am trying to understand why Apostolics who claim to have the fullness of God, do not have more wisdom.

So many pastors make so many mistakes and hurt the flock, situations that could have been handled with more wisdom, have destroyed people.

Not everyone who gets the Holy Ghost follows it necessarily. Not every preacher in the Apostolic movement is necessarily called of God to be such.

Some folks choose to go to Bible College just like other choose to study engineering. And they go on to be preachers just because grandpa was and daddy was and yadda yadda.

As a result you get a lot of novices doing stuff they shouldn't, and causing havoc where if they had just became an engineer they would have been good at it.

This could go on and on. The system itself where Preachers "try out" for a church like it was a Job interview where everyone but the pastor is the "HR" dept.

PArt of "wisdom" on the part of someone is knowing when you are called to preach and when you just want to.

Seen a few people end up shipwrecked because they didn't follow the wisdom from above because it didn't match their want to. And when the ship gets wrecked while someone is pretending to be captain, there are alway the passengers who get drowned or crushed in the process.

Believe me. Wisdom is something the Apostolic movement needs a whole lot more. God's giving it, but like the Holy Ghost, we have to recieve it.