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Originally Posted by Brother Price
In all I have read, I have seen much said that God's grace is not sufficient for the salvation of the soul, because we must have a man to say the sacred name of Jesus Christ over us in baptism for our sins to be remitted. Faith and grace have nothing to do with salvation it looks like, and the precious sacrifice of Calvary is not good enough.
In all that my three-step brethren have put forth, they have failed a litmus test of the scripture, the Ephesians 2:8-9 test.
I do feel strongly about this, now more than ever, that we are saved before baptism, but we are baptized because we are saved.
God does not give down payments on salvation either. The truth of this is found when several of the believers in the Bible received the baptism of the Holy Ghost before being baptized in water. They were saved, baptized with the Holy Ghost, and then baptized in Jesus name. We know that God does not dwell in unclean vessels according to the scriptures, thus a soul has to have been cleansed prior to their receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Another point lies in the issue of foreshadowing in the Old testament. When a soul was labeled cleaned by the priest, they were not mikvehed (baptized) then labeled clean. The priest announced the individual clean, and then they washed in water. This is so powerful as a foreshadow of baptism in our time. Baptism does not wash away sins, but we are baptized because our sins are washed away.
To my three-step brethren, I am still Apostolic. I still believe in Oneness, baptism in Jesus name, baptism of the Holy Ghost, and living a consecrated life before the Lord. I believe, as the Apostles did, that once a soul repents and confesses their sins, Jesus is faithful enough to forgive them of their sins and cleanse them of all unrighteousness. His blood is that powerful and His sacrifice was that great. |
Bro. Price are you calling what grace provided NOT being grace????
That passage you and all faith only teachers misuse contradicts your only Baptist theology(didn't call you a Baptist mind you just your theology.)
BECAUSE nothing is said about repentance in the passage and man does the repenting NOT GOD!!!!!!!!
The verse is simply teaching man cannot merit his salvation by good works this has NOTHING to do with OBEYING the gospel. OBEDIENCE to the gospel is NOT works it is true genuine Biblical faith.
I believed so I repented.
I believed so I was baptized.
I believed so I recieved His Spirit.
I believe so I walk daily with Him until He appears.
Water was as much of the Tabernacle plan as the blood.
Blood-water-oil.
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