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Old 11-15-2008, 11:22 AM
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Re: If Physical Death is Final?

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I think you're missing the point. The term "eternal punishment" has to be considered in it's entirety. The effects of this punishment, be it never ending torture or ages long correction, are eternal. Therefore it is a punishment of an eternal nature....just as life in God is of an eternal nature.
I was not referring to eternal judgment in Heb 6. I just know that some UR folks make the argument that eternal in other places does not mean forever. By the same toke, it cannot mean forever in eternal life, either, then.

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That's what Futurists say about Preterists. I think it's an unfair accusation. And for the record...I've defended Preterists from the onslaught of hateful Futurist brethren by being a devil's advocate.
There is a vast difference between timing of tribulation and beast than whether or not everyone will be saved in the end. Bro Epley can attest to that.

But actually there is no eternal judgment if everyone winds up saved in the end. Judgment was temporary, not eternal. We must ascertain what the nature of the adjective eternal is in this issue. It may mean eternal effects, but it still would not mean everyone winds up saved. Judgment is a decision. And the adjective eternal refers to the decision made. It cannot be changed. Such and such as are saved and such and such are lost.

Heb 6 is saying we must agree on those six principles. And UR does not agree with me on eternal judgment. Hence, no fellowship. I think it means we can disagree on other issues outside those six, but those six are musts.
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