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Old 01-07-2009, 08:34 PM
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Re: Why Does God Give the Baptism of the Holy Ghos

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea View Post
Once again TR misses the forest from the trees.

We all accept that silence does not benefit either side in this long standing debate ...

but was is normative can be clearly seen in Scripture....

No one can deny that believers repent ... normative
No one can deny that believers are baptized .... normative

No one can deny that our new birth is being born from above ... or by the Spirit of God ... which is the only reference found in John 3 ... as there are no indications Jesus spoke of water baptism.

No one denies a believer is filled by the Holy Spirit.

What you cannot demonstrate through the 21 conversions in Acts that each one spoke in tongues ... or that each infilling was initially evidenced through tongues.

There is no normative pattern ... other than 3 instances that also included magnifying God and prophecy ... which are not salvific in the heretical and false paradigm you espouse.

I will find repentance ... baptism and a Spirit-filled believer throughout Scripture ... Gospels, Acts, epistles ...

Yet you still hang on 3 verses to establish that every believer must talk in tongues to prove they are filled with the promise of the Holy Ghost and may go as far as to say if one does not speak in tongues one is hell-bound.

Tongue talking .... as a necessary sign to prove salvation ... a normative experience for every believer in all instances... NOPE ... a futile attempt.

It's a hoax ... we were taught ... and many an Apostolic preacher will vouch for it ....that every conversion in Acts was evidenced with tongues ... and that's a lie.

It's a real, biblical experience ... but adding to the Word has serious consequences and I fear you are.
I'm hearing the same tired recycled arguments from you.
Same animal, dressed in different clothes.

I wont even bother to respond much further on this.
In the end, you wont see what you don't want to see anyway, so I'll just save the time and energy.

Maybe someone else might want to get into it further, but I'm done here.

Meanwhile, have a nice night, DA.
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