Originally Posted by warrior
Please don't make excuses not to accept that you can fellowship and have a living pastor.
When did you hear me make excuses not to fellowship? Didn't you see my post that my husband is also baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ and of the sister with tapes of most of the sermons Bishop Johnson preached and which we all share. In addition to that, my natural sister, and brother in law are also members of Bishop Johnsons's church and have been for many years. Didn't Jesus say where two or more are gathered in my name I will be in the midst of them? Didn't Jesus say he who worships me must worship me in spirit AND IN TRUTH. Worship without truth is in vain as you well know.
There are those who are preaching the exact same thing that Bishop Johnson is preaching.
Martha: How do you know that? Have you been to any of those churches and heard more than one sermon in them?
Believe me, you have to get to know a church before you can make that determination. I don't know what this man is preaching because I've never heard of this man. Let me tell you something, just because you have spin offs from Bishop Johnson's church does not mean that they're preaching "everything" that Bishop Johnson preached or have the knowledge that he had. If you learn something from a person that does not mean that you know "everything" that person knows or have the spiritual judgement and gift of interpretation that person has. For instance, I spoke with a bishop who came out of bishop Johnson's church regarding a person who had been baptized for the second time in the name of Jesus Christ because that person wanted to have "a good conscience". I asked this bishop about it and he told me it was okay, in this man's case. Now I know better than that. NO ONE is baptized twice in the name of Jesus Christ. In fact, it's sin to be baptized twice in the name of Jesus Christ. The ONLY reason for a person to be baptized more than once is because they were not baptized in the name of Jesus Christ the first time. I'm not at all convinced that this bishop you're speaking of is preaching the same thing that Bishop Johnson preached because I don't know that bishop but just because he appears to be a spin off that came out of Bishop Johnson's church does not mean he's preaching truth. You don't get it. Just as apostasy came in after the death of the first apostles, the same thing happened with the death of Bishop Johnson. A live pastor is no big deal to me when I have all I need right where I am. There's nothing NEW to be preached and if anyon has anything new, it's in error.
Maybe one doesn't call themselves an apostle, why is that mandatory for you to have a living pastor.
Martha: I wasn't making the point that he had to be an apostle. I was making the point that I know of no other apostle since Bishop Johnson died. Again a living pastor has no different word than what's written and most likely he does not have that.
If he is preaching the same thing that you believe, what is the problem? There should be no problem if the teaching aligns with your teaching.
Martha: He has the principles, according to the web site, but there's more to hearing truth than the principles as my example above with the man being baptized twice in the name of Jesus Christ. That's rank error. There's a lot that comes in between the priciples. In fact, Apostle Paul tells us to leave the principles of the doctrine and go on to perfection. Bishop Johnson preached the gospel in its fullness. Why should I search out someone that I know nothing about who most likely is not preaching THE WHOLE TRUTH. I don't know what his position is on divorce and remarriage because I didn't see that on the web site. This is one of the main errors in the churches today. Man just has to make allowance for second, thrid, fourth and so on companions while their first husband/wife lives and think they can justify it with the scriptures. There's much more to preaching truth than you SEEM TO know.
You have no one to anoint you will oil to pray for you when you are sick.
Martha: Yes, I do
You have no one ordaining elders as scriptures as told us to do.
Martha: But are your elders preaching truth?
You have no one counseling you.
Martha: You don't know what I have. But the answer to that would also be, "yes I do."
You have no one establishing the truth as you claim it is. You aren't erecting churches to bring in the lost.
Martha: The truth has already been established. There is no more truth to be established. You seem to think that the word changes. How many churches has your establishment erected? And the church is not the building; it's the people. And if you know anything about Bishop Johnson's congregations, you would know they they were small congregations, even when he was living. He just had more churches. You don't find masses of people running to hear the truth; they run AWAY FROM THE TRUTH.
You have no one who has a vision therefore the people perish.
Martha: Perhaps you don't have that. There will always be those who will not endure sound doctrine but after their own lusts heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears and will turn away their ears from the truth and be turned unto fables.
Is it that you want an excuse not to have accountability to a living pastor to watch for your soul? Honey, you have no one to watch for your soul as the scripture tells us to.
Martha: Your false prophets can't watch for their own souls, let alone yours. You'd best be watching for yourself. Didn't the scripture TELL YOU TO WATCH!
Their teaching on marriage is the same as Bishop Johnson's I promise. Why don't you call the church and speak to Bishop Green. He will be more than happy to to speak with you. Or better yet, why don't you go to the church hear the message and talk with him afterwards.
At this point you have no excuse not to have a living pastor. You have seen people who teach the exact same thing as Bishop Johnson. Now, what are you going to do?
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