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Originally Posted by mfblume
No it does not. lol. I already said I can only speak from experience, and that was my experience, so I cannot speak for other reasons.
No, it means repentance is required to get saved. I had not truly repented.
When misconstrued like you did with it, sure.
You shock me. After all the statements I made that state baptism and Spirit infilling with tongues are no more a work than repentance, and you still say this! Wow. Brother, I thought you were more honest about this than that.
You really shock me with your words today. I was hestitant to agree. but now agree with Leg. that you simply do not want to see another perspective. I am disappointed.
Again, baptism and Spirit infilling with tongues are no more a work than repentance is because repentance is reliance upon the work of the cross alone for forgiveness, and baptism likewise is useless without faith that the cross saves, and Spirit infilling shows God giving utterance for tongues taking away anything in our minds that might think we do not need the cross and God's power to effect anything. but I already said that, and to twist my words like you have here shows me you were not interested in what I actually believe after clearly stating it.
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What's shocking is that while I can repent because of faith, I can't fill myself with the Spirit and make myself speak in tongues (well, I probably could, but not the "legit" experience). Therefore, this Grace freely given is much more complicated. I have to wait to be saved. I have to go through a period of heart searching. I have to demonstrate that I really really really believe in Jesus. Then I have to prove that to others by speaking in tongues out loud in front of them. Mike, does that ever make you scratch your head??? It's so central to 3-stepper/UPC teaching, and does not seem even remotely central to Pauline theology on salvation. Paul missed a pretty important topic. You'd think this tongues-required-for-salvation thing would be a hot topic in the NT where everything else was. But no... no controversy with the Jews, Gentiles or any of the churches Paul writes too. The only remote controversy is the gifts of the Spirit at the public assembly. But nothing about this crown jewel of salvation that we dance around????? Salvation by faith, just as Abraham, but now you aren't saved until God fills you with the Spirit AND you speak with tongues?
Surely you can understand why some of us aren't following the logic here.
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