The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I think we are having just a smidge of progress in our agreement.

I have no concern in agreeing with your stance but simply agreeing with scripture.

I'm just curious why you believe the restored covenant ("new" covenant) requires anything more than faith to be effective... for initiatory/conversion purposes.

Because the covenant simply said so.

Your last few sentences: Faith corresponds with a shadow of water baptism and repentance? That's really stretching the undies, Mike.

I think not. baptism doth also now even save us. How you can avoid that one is stretching things, bro.

Originally Posted by notofworks

I don't know. I think Timmy may have a legitimate point....IF.....one has to do all the tongues stuff. I mean, it's pretty fool-proof to get a bull & goat and drain the blood and go once a year and do all the offerings....it's lot of work, but hey, if I kill the goat, it's dead and I'm done.

On the other hand, if I have to go to the altar for 600 consecutive Sundays and beg God for the Holy Ghost and STILL maybe never get it, I might just opt for the OT plan.....

.......IF I have to do all that stuff.

All we do is speak as God givers the utterance. Anyone who speaks in tongues knows this. How can "all this tongues stuff" be a work like you say if YOU speak in tongues and KNOW that it is no effort? Wow, bro. You shock me again.