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Old 11-24-2010, 12:50 PM
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Re: Homosexuality ... How do the "Advocates" deal.

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Regarding 1 Corinthians (this is why I didn't want to get into that here, risking a HUGE tangent), I think 11:1 is more related to Chapter 10 and that 11:2 is where the Chapter (new thought, or continuing thought, begins).

After prohibiting Corinthians from becoming involved in pagan worship, Paul not turns to address three items of abuse in their own assemblies: a concern related to women's head coverings or hairstyles when praying or prophesying; the abuse of the poor at the Lord's Table; and the abuse of speaking in tongues in the assembly (Chps 12-14). This topic, in Chapter 11, is the only one that begins "now about," indicating it is likely something that was mentioned in their letter to Paul. 1 Corinthians 11:2-14 seem to be divided into 3 logical arguments that Paul makes.

vv3-6 Paul uses a metaphorical usage of the word "head" (before later employing a more literal use regarding "coverings" on their head).

Fee argues that the "head" metaphor is not hierarchical, setting up an authority structure (in fact, the only usage of exousia refers to the woman's own authority in v10). The metaphor for head to mean "chief" or "person of highest rank" is rare in Greek literature. Paul's probably use of "head" here is as "source" or "source of life." Paul's concern is not hierarchical, but relational.

That said, I do believe that Paul here, is supporting social order and customs based on the concept of "life source."

No, in all my friendships with unbelievers in the city where I live (that are homosexual), I have not been aware of any particular domestic violence problem unique to homosexuals... or even a problem in general. So we are anecdotal vs. anecdotal. You also mentioned many homosexuals being former Pentecostals? Could this be because those are who you know and affiliated with (you yourself being a Pentecostal) and that a guy who was a tradesman, may know more homosexuals that are tradesmen? This is the danger of either of us forming conclusions based on anecdotal evidence.

You seem to be implying that because homosexuals break God's order of "headship" (not entirely sure what you mean), that there is more havoc in their homes. I think I can find other ways to suggest homosexual homes break God's design and purposes for us to live full and healthy lives. But I think it's a stretch to say they have relational problems above and beyond what other romantic partners have.

Many homosexuals assume roles prior to going into relationships. It's not like "who's going to be the man or woman", but rather, and they have their own language for this, they go by personality. Some are more mild, less decisive and they defer to the more decisive and aggressive one.

I would thnk the biggest instances of "domestic violence" among homosexuals is perpetrated by hateful heterosexuals.

Your point is made by advocacy groups like this:
http://fathersforlife.org/gay_issues/gay_dv.htm
http://www.lambda.org/DV_background.htm

Of course, they reason and argue for different factors (read the second link)
I want to be very clear on this my friend. I am not coming from the opinion of any advocacy groups. Please do not make the same assumption mistake that you might be accusing others of.

I am telling my own experiences in counseling and ministry. That is all. I do realize that my scope is much narrower than any nationwide polls and etc, but that is the reason for this thread. I will read those links and comment on them after.

Yes, most that I counsel come from a religious viewpoint or environment. That is the realm of my experience. I am trying to not fall into the mindset that everything is set in stone. I have been trying to give my experiences to far in this arena.

I realize that all groups have their problems but I am really trying to stay on course here and address what I have observed, with my own experience, in the limited contact with the homosexual community.

Please forgive me if I am offending, I am not trying to.

God Bless All

Last edited by TJJJ; 11-24-2010 at 12:52 PM. Reason: grammatical
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