Most think the Law was actually designed to be obeyed. LOL
So John 15:4-15 are not actually to be obeyed? Yeah... God was playing a joke and ZAch and eliz did where not blameless according to the law.
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It wasn't. God gave it and commanded obedience... knowing that man couldn't obey it. Knowing that it would crush mankind and bring the soul to desperately cry out for a Savior.
Trying to live according to Law is the way of death.
Believe it or not...it is the law that stirs up the sinful passions of the flesh. I'm reminded of part of Pilgrim's Progress when Christian enters a room with a floor covered in dust. He tries to use a broom to sweep it up...but it only stirs the dust up until it becomes unbearable. That's the law. When you use the Law to try to sweep up the sin in your life...it only stirs up that old sinful nature.
Nice but that has to do with the flesh not your ability to choose.
Luke, you seem to have a lot of knowledge on covenants. Please share
Covenants are different than contracts. You view the arrangement of Jesus to us as a legal contract. If there were any "legal contract" transaction, it's between God and Christ. To us, he offers us a gift of eternal life if we believe in Him.
Not sure why it amuses you that I clarify that I don't believe in "flying under the radar."
Anything that tries to add on to what God has does (Galatians) is an effort to be your own Savior and sounds like "you almost paid it all, but you left me a couple bucks to cough up."
Jesus is faithful to the covenant, and He's Perfect in that. I still fail him and let him down. Thankfully, it didn't invalidate the covenant. The covenant requirement (ie, justice) has been paid in full
you have went to two directions with your points and made them togethor.
Can you follow Christ without taking up his cross?
Can you be saved without turning from all to him?
I bring my life to the table. IT is what he requires.
"Pay it forward" LOL OSAS as it gets. Nothing you can do loses salvation all your sins have ALREADY been paid for. thus you believe in a forensic justification.
I'm not sure what you mean by two directions. Can you clarify?
No, you cannot follow Christ without taking up a cross. Because I'm saved, I've turned all to him.
He made the ransom for me long before I ever had a pea's brain what my life was. He asks us for it, sure. But he's not trying to barter salvation. Our life, promises, resolutions aren't worth ......... Thankfully, we have a Redeemer that thinks differently.
OSAS, Forensic Justification... however it helps you get through a conversation
Are you aware what your view of justification is? Subjective Justification? Do you confuse justification with sanctification maybe?
Those who do not obey Jesus by being born again cannot abide on the vine. The same Jesus said,
John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
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Nice but that has to do with the flesh not your ability to choose.
We choose to be born again. When we are REALLY born again we are partakers in the divine nature. It is impossible for the saint to continue in sin. The saint might choose sin and experience it's pleasures for a season...but the new nature will propel the saint of God to their knees in repentance. The key is to surrender to the grace and that divine nature imparted to you. This is called walking in the Spirit. Turning to obey the Law isn't the answer.
Those who do not obey Jesus by being born again cannot abide on the vine. The same Jesus said,
John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
We choose to be born again. When we are REALLY born again we are partakers in the divine nature. It is impossible for the saint to continue in sin. The saint might choose sin and experience it's pleasures for a season...but the new nature will propel the saint of God to their knees in repentance. The key is to surrender to the grace and that divine nature imparted to you. This is called walking in the Spirit. Turning to obey the Law isn't the answer.
you have a black and white conversion just like the view of Reformed teachers which is false and not what scripture says. Many taste teh heavenly gift and endure for a while and fall away. Jesus compels all the time in Revelations. It does not mean you will turn back and you where not saved at one point. Jesus conditonal points of IF are not irresistible. You are teaching a form of irresistible grace which is false doctrine.
I'm not sure what you mean by two directions. Can you clarify?
No, you cannot follow Christ without taking up a cross. Because I'm saved, I've turned all to him.
He made the ransom for me long before I ever had a pea's brain what my life was. He asks us for it, sure. But he's not trying to barter salvation. Our life, promises, resolutions aren't worth ......... Thankfully, we have a Redeemer that thinks differently.
You have conditions of exchange to obtain whether you like it or not.
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OSAS, Forensic Justification... however it helps you get through a conversation
It's what you teach. forensic salvation that relies only on a initial positional change vs a practical justification by bilateral covenant in which we are judged faithful or not.
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Are you aware what your view of justification is? Subjective Justification? Do you confuse justification with sanctification maybe?
No you have a limitied view of views on justification. Reformed view of justification is false.
He loves me and calls me friend, even when I disobey and let Him down.
We are not anxious or insecure about his perseverant, final, and redemptive work on the cross. We aren't looking over our backs anxiously wondering if our sin today separated us from the love of God.
My sin is not greater than Christ's grace and work. Having been united to Christ, the Spirit of adoption can come to me no more with a Spirit of bondage and fear because in Christ I no longer stand in my own sins, merit or performances, but are clothed in His righteousness. Because of Jesus I am already on the other side of justice and it can no longer have me (Rom 8:1). No condemnation for me in Christ for the full justice of God has been satisfied. Christ's once for all sacrifice means there is no longer necessary a sacrifice for sin year after year (as in Leviticus) but now His atoning work is sufficient for all time for you before God. I can neither attain, nor maintain, my right standing before God. I never did and I never will, for sin cannot disolve the covenant which God has graciously granted to me in Christ. Now as always, my only hope is Jesus Christ. When God justified me, He did not then, and does not now, look at me but rather, at the covenant He made with me in Christ. Consider, when God made the covenant of grace with Abraham, God made Abraham sleep and God himself walked through the divided animals and so promised to take on Himself the punishment if Abraham did not fulfill his side of the covenant. And so it was, the seed of Abraham (that's us) all failed to keep the covenant and so God Himself came in the flesh to fully bear up the punishment we justly deserve for not keeping our side of it. Jesus Kept it for us. He did for us what we could not do for ourselves, from our side.
It was not our obedience, repentance or faith that caused God to justify us because none of these things can pay for sin - not now, not ever. Only Christ alone can save and pay for sin. And He did. Yours and my safety is based, therefore, on Christ's merit, not on what we do, otherwise we are looking in ourselves for confidence before God, rather than Christ. No one, not one of us would have confidence if we had only to look to ourselves. So we look to Christ. Herein is the gospel.
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