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03-04-2011, 08:43 AM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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So...
neither the Greek or the English means anything...only your interpretation?
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I have studied scholars of both Greek and English, plus taking scripture and God's purpose as a whole, for my conclusions. Your interpretations are not held by all scholars by any means. There is disagreement, pure and simple.
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03-04-2011, 09:17 AM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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One is either saved or lost. There are only two eventualities. One is heaven, the other is hell. The imperative spoken by Jesus, "...ye must be born again..." is not without eternal implications. To be born again or not to be born again is a choice of eternal consequence.
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What you post may be true, yet the true meaning of the words are not what you believe them to be.
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neither the Greek or the English means anything...only your interpretation?
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I have studied scholars of both Greek and English, plus taking scripture and God's purpose as a whole, for my conclusions. Your interpretations are not held by all scholars by any means. There is disagreement, pure and simple.
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Well, if the enemy can't get us to live a life of sin and out right rebellion against God, I suppose that the only other recourse he would have is to make us doubt God's written Word that tell us where the unbeliever will spend eternity??? If doubt could be raised then why enter into a battle against the flesh and the devil? Wouldn't it be much easier to just relax and lay down and let whatever will be will be?
Whoopeeeee  HOT PARTY TIME DOWN ON THE OL' TOWN TONIGHT!!! YA'LL COME!!!
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03-04-2011, 10:51 AM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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Well, if the enemy can't get us to live a life of sin and out right rebellion against God, I suppose that the only other recourse he would have is to make us doubt God's written Word that tell us where the unbeliever will spend eternity??? If doubt could be raised then why enter into a battle against the flesh and the devil? Wouldn't it be much easier to just relax and lay down and let whatever will be will be?
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That's how I see it too.
Why bother with the here and now, it'll all come out okay on the other side...eventually.
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03-04-2011, 11:30 AM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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That's how I see it too.
Why bother with the here and now, it'll all come out okay on the other side...eventually.
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Amen, sis...
When all incentive is removed, what's the use of battling the flesh and the devil since in the end every thief, liar, whoremonger will be saved anyway, regardless if they claim to be a christian or not? If the love of God and a desire to serve him from a pure heart filled with love for him is not incentive enough to get saved and stay saved, at least there is one other incentive: fear. If love is not strong enough incentive to live for God, for some people fear is strong enough.
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
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03-04-2011, 12:09 PM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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Well, if the enemy can't get us to live a life of sin and out right rebellion against God, I suppose that the only other recourse he would have is to make us doubt God's written Word that tell us where the unbeliever will spend eternity??? If doubt could be raised then why enter into a battle against the flesh and the devil? Wouldn't it be much easier to just relax and lay down and let whatever will be will be?
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Appy, that's one point that I'm not sure is true. Men I know who (even secretly) court the idea of Universalism, aren't those who disciple people toward lack of commitment, and those who have thrown in the towel for speaking the Gospel to the masses.
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03-04-2011, 04:09 PM
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crakjak
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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Well, if the enemy can't get us to live a life of sin and out right rebellion against God, I suppose that the only other recourse he would have is to make us doubt God's written Word that tell us where the unbeliever will spend eternity??? If doubt could be raised then why enter into a battle against the flesh and the devil? Wouldn't it be much easier to just relax and lay down and let whatever will be will be?
Whoopeeeee HOT PARTY TIME DOWN ON THE OL' TOWN TONIGHT!!! YA'LL COME!!! |
Your characterization of believers in the greater hope is completely erroneous, therefore the argument fails. You would find that believers in UR are some of the most committed and dedicated Christians that you will find.
We truly believe that Jesus is the Savior, and is about the business of saving, and setting folks free. When you see God as actually the Savior, and not just the possible Savior, He is truly Almighty,and the human race is actually precious and valuable to Him. What an truly awesome God, that created the universe with a absolute plan to have Sons and Daughters of God, a bunch of them!!
May the eyes of our understanding be opened to the greatness of His might, the extent of His love.
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03-04-2011, 04:17 PM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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Your characterization of believers in the greater hope is completely erroneous, therefore the argument fails. You would find that believers in UR are some of the most committed and dedicated Christians that you will find.
We truly believe that Jesus is the Savior, and is about the business of saving, and setting folks free. When you see God as actually the Savior, and not just the possible Savior, He is truly Almighty,and the human race is actually precious and valuable to Him. What an truly awesome God, that created the universe with a absolute plan to have Sons and Daughters of God, a bunch of them!!
May the eyes of our understanding be opened to the greatness of His might, the extent of His love.
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Tell me sir...
Just how deep is THAT love? Just how wide and expansive is that mercy? Just how limited is that Grace? Is it limited at all? Will it extend to the devil and all of the angels which formerly inhabited heaven?
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03-04-2011, 04:21 PM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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Tell me sir...
Just how deep is THAT love? Just how wide and expansive is that mercy? Just how limited is that Grace? Is it limited at all? Will it extend to the devil and all of the angels which formerly inhabited heaven?
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I see it now and can't wait to rejoice with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and Obama in heaven...
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03-04-2011, 04:29 PM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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I see it now and can't wait to rejoice with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and Obama in heaven...
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Whoopie.....
All our brothers and sisters in Christ.....
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03-04-2011, 04:37 PM
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Re: The Slippery Emergent Slope
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Whoopie.....
All our brothers and sisters in Christ..... |
Pure arrogance! It's a sad day when people rejoice over the fallen. This is what I’m talking about, Apprehended, you are a modern day Pharisee.
Yep, and you’re better than them, living in a Country that has murdered over 50 million unborn children since 1973. We have our own Holocaust, while you’re doing your little dance.
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