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Socialite · #**101** 03-04-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Well, if the enemy can't get us to live a life of sin and out right rebellion against God, I suppose that the only other recourse he would have is to make us doubt God's written Word that tell us where the unbeliever will spend eternity??? If doubt could be raised then why enter into a battle against the flesh and the devil? Wouldn't it be much easier to just relax and lay down and let whatever will be will be?

Whoopeeeee

HOT PARTY TIME DOWN ON THE OL' TOWN TONIGHT!!! YA'LL COME!!!

Appy, that's one point that I'm not sure is true. Men I know who (even secretly) court the idea of Universalism, aren't those who disciple people toward lack of commitment, and those who have thrown in the towel for speaking the Gospel to the masses.

NotforSale · #**102** 03-04-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

One is either saved or lost. There are only two eventualities. One is heaven, the other is hell. The imperative spoken by Jesus, "...ye must be born again..." is not without eternal implications. To be born again or not to be born again is a choice of eternal consequence.

This post is entirely speculative. You cannot prove one point about Eternity, period. And, the more we delve into Eternity, the more that lies and manipulation are produced for effect.

Your cut and dry approach is almost comical. Your idea about who's saved and who's lost will vary from person to person, and no two people agree on this issue. It doesn’t matter if we belong to the same Denomination and go to the same Church.

If God was cut and dry, you may as well throw mercy out the window. And because you my friend are a thief, a liar, and an adulterer, there would be no hope for you.

Paul was very transparent when it came to the struggle of sin and the ways of our inward man. Apprehended, you’re hiding behind an idea that makes you better than everyone else.

crakjak · #**103** 03-04-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Well, if the enemy can't get us to live a life of sin and out right rebellion against God, I suppose that the only other recourse he would have is to make us doubt God's written Word that tell us where the unbeliever will spend eternity??? If doubt could be raised then why enter into a battle against the flesh and the devil? Wouldn't it be much easier to just relax and lay down and let whatever will be will be?

Whoopeeeee

HOT PARTY TIME DOWN ON THE OL' TOWN TONIGHT!!! YA'LL COME!!!

Your characterization of believers in the greater hope is completely erroneous, therefore the argument fails. You would find that believers in UR are some of the most committed and dedicated Christians that you will find.

We truly believe that Jesus is the Savior, and is about the business of saving, and setting folks free. When you see God as actually the Savior, and not just the possible Savior, He is truly Almighty,and the human race is actually precious and valuable to Him. What an truly awesome God, that created the universe with a absolute plan to have Sons and Daughters of God, a bunch of them!!

May the eyes of our understanding be opened to the greatness of His might, the extent of His love.

Apprehended · #**104** 03-04-2011, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

This post is entirely speculative. You cannot prove one point about Eternity, period. And, the more we delve into Eternity, the more that lies and manipulation are produced for effect.

Your cut and dry approach is almost comical. Your idea about who's saved and who's lost will vary from person to person, and no two people agree on this issue. It doesn’t matter if we belong to the same Denomination and go to the same Church.

If God was cut and dry, you may as well throw mercy out the window. And because you my friend are a thief, a liar, and an adulterer, there would be no hope for you.

Paul was very transparent when it came to the struggle of sin and the ways of our inward man. Apprehended, you’re hiding behind an idea that makes you better than everyone else.

We are not even talking about the same subject.

Good grief!

Apprehended · #**105** 03-04-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Your characterization of believers in the greater hope is completely erroneous, therefore the argument fails. You would find that believers in UR are some of the most committed and dedicated Christians that you will find.

We truly believe that Jesus is the Savior, and is about the business of saving, and setting folks free. When you see God as actually the Savior, and not just the possible Savior, He is truly Almighty,and the human race is actually precious and valuable to Him. What an truly awesome God, that created the universe with a absolute plan to have Sons and Daughters of God, a bunch of them!!

May the eyes of our understanding be opened to the greatness of His might, the extent of His love.

Tell me sir...

Just how deep is THAT love? Just how wide and expansive is that mercy? Just how limited is that Grace? Is it limited at all? Will it extend to the devil and all of the angels which formerly inhabited heaven?

aegsm76 · #**106** 03-04-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Tell me sir...

Just how deep is THAT love? Just how wide and expansive is that mercy? Just how limited is that Grace? Is it limited at all? Will it extend to the devil and all of the angels which formerly inhabited heaven?

I see it now and can't wait to rejoice with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and Obama in heaven...

aegsm76 · #**107** 03-04-2011, 04:23 PM

For those of you who really believe this, why are you even debating about it?
After all, we will all wind up in the same place.
So why worry about doctine?

Apprehended · #**108** 03-04-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76

I see it now and can't wait to rejoice with Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and Obama in heaven...

Whoopie.....

All our brothers and sisters in Christ.....

NotforSale · #**109** 03-04-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprehended

Whoopie.....

All our brothers and sisters in Christ.....

Pure arrogance! It's a sad day when people rejoice over the fallen. This is what I’m talking about, Apprehended, you are a modern day Pharisee.

Yep, and you’re better than them, living in a Country that has murdered over 50 million unborn children since 1973. We have our own Holocaust, while you’re doing your little dance.

Socialite · #**110** 03-04-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crakjak

Your characterization of believers in the greater hope is completely erroneous, therefore the argument fails. You would find that believers in UR are some of the most committed and dedicated Christians that you will find.

We truly believe that Jesus is the Savior, and is about the business of saving, and setting folks free. When you see God as actually the Savior, and not just the possible Savior, He is truly Almighty,and the human race is actually precious and valuable to Him. What an truly awesome God, that created the universe with a absolute plan to have Sons and Daughters of God, a bunch of them!!

May the eyes of our understanding be opened to the greatness of His might, the extent of His love.

That doesn't make sense. As if Appy or others (like me who denounce Universalism as an errant doctrine) don't see Jesus as Savior. If anything, our emphasis on His saving role -- and the urgency of His saving role are all the more.