If someone genuinely had a leg that needed lengthening, I only wonder what difference one would see to know it was genuine if it was healed.
Since leg lengthening is one of the big "tricks" of the trade, would God actually perform such a miracle in front of an audience? Wouldn't that be a bit like God giving someone the gift of spoon bending, or even linking 5 stainless steel rings?
Since leg lengthening is one of the big "tricks" of the trade, would God actually perform such a miracle in front of an audience? Wouldn't that be a bit like God giving someone the gift of spoon bending, or even linking 5 stainless steel rings?
Why? Jesus performed wonders before crowds and so did Paul. God is concerned with helping people. I do not think he is so concerned whether or not it is in front of people. What has steel rings or spoon bending go to do with helping people?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Why? Jesus performed wonders before crowds and so did Paul. God is concerned with helping people. I do not think he is so concerned whether or not it is in front of people. What has steel rings or spoon bending go to do with helping people?
Because that is the equivalent of leg lengthening. If some feat of legerdemain is a well known crowd pleaser, why would God choose to use THAT as a proof if the miraculous? It would be like God giving one of his "ministers" the gift of sawing a woman in half.
Because that is the equivalent of leg lengthening. If some feat of legerdemain is a well known crowd pleaser, why would God choose to use THAT as a proof if the miraculous? It would be like God giving one of his "ministers" the gift of sawing a woman in half.
...or maybe like pulling a rabbit out of a hat...right?
Way to go! That's a REAL trick! Helps everyone.
Listen to this testimony:
"I saw Brother Jones pull a rabbit out of a hat and I was cured of diabetes."
NOW THERE'S A REAL FAITH BUILDER! FOR SURE!
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...or maybe like pulling a rabbit out of a hat...right?
Way to go! That's a REAL trick! Helps everyone.
Listen to this testimony:
"I saw Brother Jones pull a rabbit out of a hat and I was cured of diabetes."
NOW THERE'S A REAL FAITH BUILDER! FOR SURE!
Quite a few years ago as an amateur magician, I had a number of 'ringer' tricks. These were my very best illusions which which were thrown in with a dozen normal ones I did. They were the ones that left a spectator with their mouth wide open in amazement and having NO idea how it was done.
I was also accused several times of using REAL magic when performing these ringer tricks because they crossed the comfort zone of what some people thought of as "ok, I don't know how this was done but it could be a trick" to "ok, what I just saw was impossible!".
Lance Burton, the well known Las Vegas magician, doesn't simply pull a rabbit out of a hat. Rather he produced 3 or 4 ducks and a couple of geese from his body in the middle of the stage. I don't know how he did it. I just let myself sit back and enjoy the artistry of it all.
Quite a few years ago as an amateur magician, I had a number of 'ringer' tricks. These were my very best illusions which which were thrown in with a dozen normal ones I did. They were the ones that left a spectator with their mouth wide open in amazement and having NO idea how it was done.
I was also accused several times of using REAL magic when performing these ringer tricks because they crossed the comfort zone of what some people thought of as "ok, I don't know how this was done but it could be a trick" to "ok, what I just saw was impossible!".
Lance Burton, the well known Las Vegas magician, doesn't simply pull a rabbit out of a hat. Rather he produced 3 or 4 ducks and a couple of geese from his body in the middle of the stage. I don't know how he did it. I just let myself sit back and enjoy the artistry of it all.
So you've been a Christian ever since!
That's nice.
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Because that is the equivalent of leg lengthening. If some feat of legerdemain is a well known crowd pleaser, why would God choose to use THAT as a proof if the miraculous? It would be like God giving one of his "ministers" the gift of sawing a woman in half.
I do not think God cares what people think of why He does whatever if He is helping people. Jesus warned us of slanderers. It's par for the course. If God cared what slanderers thought of His works in the manner you propose, He would not let them live.
Also for Timmy, no I do not believe we are to accept every claim of a miracle. We do have to compare it with the Word. Moses told the people that false prophets are known by their claims that do not come to pass, but also if a miracle is done but another is endorsed in it.
And miracles do not even make me think the person is necessarily a true prophet either. Jesus said not everyone who says LORD LORD and performs wonders is in the kingdom. But he never said they were not genuine miracles either. Also, I know there are fakes and have been fakes. But you cannot have a fake unless there is a genuine.
I think people get on the warpath of hunting for the fakes since they thing the miraculous confirms a person's salvation, when it does not.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I do not think God cares what people think of why He does whatever if He is helping people. Jesus warned us of slanderers. It's par for the course. If God cared what slanderers thought of His works in the manner you propose, He would not let them live.
Also for Timmy, no I do not believe we are to accept every claim of a miracle. We do have to compare it with the Word. Moses told the people that false prophets are known by their claims that do not come to pass, but also if a miracle is done but another is endorsed in it.
And miracles do not even make me think the person is necessarily a true prophet either. Jesus said not everyone who says LORD LORD and performs wonders is in the kingdom. But he never said they were not genuine miracles either. Also, I know there are fakes and have been fakes. But you cannot have a fake unless there is a genuine.
I think people get on the warpath of hunting for the fakes since they thing the miraculous confirms a person's salvation, when it does not.
The Bible promises signs, and warns about false signs. But there is no way to tell them apart. Weird. Discernment itself is just as uncertain: some with discern differently from others, and then what do you do?
As for "you cannot have a fake unless there is a genuine"? I feel I can go out on a limb here and say with utter certainty, that is wrong. You absolutely can have a fake anything without the need for the real thing to exist. It is entirely possible to have fake leprechauns, even if no real leprechauns exist.
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The Bible promises signs, and warns about false signs. But there is no way to tell them apart. Weird. Discernment itself is just as uncertain: some with discern differently from others, and then what do you do?
By their fruits you shall know them. Do they offer true life of God as the Word relates? Fruit of life or fruit of knowledge of good and evil?
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As for "you cannot have a fake unless there is a genuine"? I feel I can go out on a limb here and say with utter certainty, that is wrong. You absolutely can have a fake anything without the need for the real thing to exist. It is entirely possible to have fake leprechauns, even if no real leprechauns exist.
In that sense I agree with you. But I think it is offkey. It is not whether there are fake leprechauns or not in your example, but fake BEINGS.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
The Bible promises signs, and warns about false signs. But there is no way to tell them apart. Weird. Discernment itself is just as uncertain: some with discern differently from others, and then what do you do?
As for "you cannot have a fake unless there is a genuine"? I feel I can go out on a limb here and say with utter certainty, that is wrong. You absolutely can have a fake anything without the need for the real thing to exist. It is entirely possible to have fake leprechauns, even if no real leprechauns exist.
That is hilarious! I read that initial line and thought of "fake leprechauns" as well! Another example would be someone dressing up as a Vulcan at a Star Trek convention would not necessarily mean that real Vulcans exist.
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