We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Hey Luke, are you sure you gonna make it to heaven?

Why or why not?

I have faith but no I don't know and neither does anyone else that is human. That is why it is called the judgment in which we are judged according to our works both good and bad. God is just and consistent. He will either say well done thou good and "faithful" servant or depart from me you worker of lawlessness I never knew you.

Eze 18:24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I have faith but no I don't know and neither does anyone else that is human. That is why it is called the judgment in which we are judged according to our works both good and bad. God is just and consistent. He will either say well done thou good and "faithful" servant or depart from me you worker of lawlessness I never knew you.

Eze 18:24 But when a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice and does the same abominations that the wicked person does, shall he live? None of the righteous deeds that he has done shall be remembered; for the treachery of which he is guilty and the sin he has committed, for them he shall die.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So considering 1 John 3:2, it says we are sons of God right now. In other words, we don't have to die to know that we are God's children. Do you think God would send his children who have born of Him to hell?

You also said "no human knows". How did Paul know that a crown was waiting for him if he couldn't even know whether he was perfect enough to make it to heaven?

2 Tim 4
7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Enlighten moi!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So considering 1 John 3:2, it says we are sons of God right now. In other words, we don't have to die to know that we are God's children. Do you think God would send his children who have born of Him to hell?

You also said "no human knows". How did Paul know that a crown was waiting for him if he couldn't even know whether he was perfect enough to make it to heaven?

2 Tim 4
7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Enlighten moi!

He didn't know. He was speaking in faith. He found out if he was right, after he died. (Or he will, come judgment day. Depending.) He may be saying "Lord, Lord, didn't I write most of the New Testament?"

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Timmy

He didn't know. He was speaking in faith. He found out if he was right, after he died. (Or he will, come judgment day. Depending.) He may be saying "Lord, Lord, didn't I write most of the New Testament?"

Timmayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by tgbtg

timmayyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!

tgbtggggggg!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Timmy

tgbtggggggg!

So Timmy, what exactly don't you believe about Jesus Christ?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

So Timmy, what exactly don't you believe about Jesus Christ?

Seems a little off topic, doesn't it?

Briefly, while I could say there are things I "don't believe" about Jesus (and a lot of other things), I prefer to say that I am skeptical. About what, specifically? Everything.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So considering 1 John 3:2, it says we are sons of God right now. In other words, we don't have to die to know that we are God's children. Do you think God would send his children who have born of Him to hell?

LOL nice context and understanding all te underlying principles.

We are children to WHOM we obey. If we go after flesh we are not children of God. Unless we repent we will die in our sins. I can consider myself a child of God IF I am doing his will and commandments just as Jesus said concerning us being his friends. IF we obey we are his friends.

You also said "no human knows". How did Paul know that a crown was waiting for him if he couldn't even know whether he was perfect enough to make it to heaven?

LOL... He is viewing himself HAVING KEPT to receive. Thus he believes he will receive. He will be judged by God to have been faithful to the end or not. He has belief he will. As we all shoud have expectancy having been what WE PERCIEVE as being faithful. He still wil be judged.

1Jn 3:18 Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.
1Jn 3:19 By this we shall know that we are of the truth and reassure our heart before him;
1Jn 3:20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.
1Jn 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;
1Jn 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

LOL nice context and understanding all te underlying principles.

We are children to WHOM we obey. If we go after flesh we are not children of God. Unless we repent we will die in our sins. I can consider myself a child of God IF I am doing his will and commandments just as Jesus said concerning us being his friends. IF we obey we are his friends.

The prodigal's father was still his father even though the prodigal left. Here's the truth... if you must do God's will and keep His commandments... you must keep them all. You can't pick and choose. It isn't a buffet bar. Every minor detail has to be kept. Why? Because God is HOLY. I think if we take the position that we have to obey the Law (God's commandments) to be saved...we minimize how terrible sin really is. I know legalists who believe in keeping God's commandments and assume that they can live sinless lives. When I bring up a sin in their life, the typical response is, "Well, I don't think that's a 'sin' and here's why...." Also, this idea can breed a mentality wherein a person "thinks" they are obeying all of God's commandments, when in truth they are only obeying the religious dictates of their denomination or organization. This leads to a religious pride and self righteousness. In Christ... we are complete, we are perfect, we are justified, we are sanctified, we are holy, we are a new creature. A "transfering" has taken place. Christ took the body of sin and all it's condemnation upon Himself, and freely imputes His righteousness and holiness to those who believe and turn to Him. Now, when Satan (the accuser) points at our sin and demands God's justice, God points to the cross. The cross satisfied all of the justice of God. Jesus was indeed our propitiation.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The prodigal's father was still his father even though the prodigal left.

The Son was considered DEAD to him. You always have a covenant relationship and promise to you. THat has nothing to do with the reality of you attempting to serve to masters or have two Father's and being lost.

Here's the truth... if you must do God's will and keep His commandments... you must keep them all.

Such typical antinomian junk.

You can't pick and choose. It isn't a buffet bar.

Love fulfills the law and by following the Spirit we fulfill the law as JESUS SAID HE DID AND WE SHOULD TO. John 15:4-15.

Every minor detail has to be kept. Why? Because God is HOLY. I think if we take the position that we have to obey the Law (God's commandments) to be saved...we minimize how terrible sin really is.

You also minimize the work of the Spirt which is grace to overcome. He puts upon us nothing we cannot bear. In your doctrine you clearly say he does. His law is not burdensome.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Joh 15:10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.
Joh 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command you.

1Co 7:19 For neither circumcision counts for anything nor uncircumcision, but keeping the commandments of God.

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

You are a servant to whom you obey.

I know legalists who believe in keeping God's commandments and assume that they can live sinless lives. When I bring up a sin in their life, the typical response is, "Well, I don't think that's a 'sin' and here's why...." Also, this idea can breed a mentality wherein a person "thinks" they are obeying all of God's commandments, when in truth they are only obeying the religious dictates of their denomination or organization

.

doesn' change the truth

This leads to a religious pride and self righteousness. In Christ... we are complete, we are perfect, we are justified, we are sanctified, we are holy, we are a new creature.

Yes and if we continue walking if not no.

A "transfering" has taken place. Christ took the body of sin and all it's condemnation upon Himself, and freely imputes His righteousness and holiness to those who believe and turn to Him.

This is practical righteousness and atoning righteousness and both are based upon a continual response of faith.

Now, when Satan (the accuser) points at our sin and demands God's justice, God points to the cross. The cross satisfied all of the justice of God. Jesus was indeed our propitiation.

If sin has not been repented of satan has a case as we are not walking in faith and are guilty of sin and not covered by the blood. Unless you abide in him you are condemned of your sin. To abide is to walk in faith to his call which is his leading by the Spirit and witnessed by the Word. To become at enmity his to not abide and not be considerd is friend. Justification is a reality of God's consideration of your response to receive his grace. In responding we receive. progressive santification is in stride leads to God's consideration of your faith. You are considered in covenant and right before him. As he leads you respond in faith or lawlessness which dictates your position before him.