Old Time Pentecost

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jay

Sure. We did for a number of years until the liberals started shoving immodest apparel at conferences (especially those with young people), having 'modeling' contests, having boys attire themselves with women's hose and shoes and run around the sanctuary, openly advocating television and movies, music that was increasingly worldly for worship, etc. At that point, something had to be done. Up until that point, it was sleeves, rings, and splits. And we managed to get along with one another for the most part just fine.



I believe you statement is more accurate with the UPCI's opinion of the WPF. I have heard many times people in the WPF say that there are many good men left in the UPC. We can no longer walk in the same organization because of where it is going.

Bro. Booker still has UPCI preachers preach for him, as well as independent preachers. My father has preached for men in the UPC, WPF, and independents. I have attended UPCI sponsored events. I have even visited UPCI churches. This is not a new thing, and will continue to be done where ever we may find brethren to fellowship with.

Wish this were true here, my daughters and a couple of friends went to a UPC event and all of them recieved the Holy ghost and were baptized in Jesus name there. when they returned one friend of 6 years went to a WPF church down the street by invitation. Now, 1year later, she tells my daughters they are not saved because they "talk" to other kids in school who are not in church. We have invited her to come to a function, youth rally , or any service (since their service is not the same time as ours). Her answer is always the same, 'Your church does not preach the truth".

Its sad really. and Im not sure it will ever be repaired.

[The Matt]

Originally Posted by scotty

Wish this were true here, my daughters and a couple of friends went to a UPC event and all of them recieved the Holy ghost and were baptized in Jesus name there. when they returned one friend of 6 years went to a WPF church down the street by invitation. Now, 1year later, she tells my daughters they are not saved because they "talk" to other kids in school who are not in church. We have invited her to come to a function, youth rally , or any service (since their service is not the same time as ours). Her answer is always the same, 'Your church does not preach the truth".

Its sad really. and Im not sure it will ever be repaired.

That is so wrong. How would she expect otherwise for your kids to learn how to interact with people outside the church?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by The Matt

That is so wrong. How would she expect otherwise for your kids to learn how to interact with people outside the church?

According to my daughter, she only interacts with other kids who go to her church. Other than the occasional "Hi" in passing, she does not "hang out" , or "eat with", or "get into conversation with" other kids. She will invite them to church, if they come they come, if they don't they don't. When they say "seperate from the world" , thats exactly what it means.

It is strange though. They have one or two who do come occasionally, but its like, they are the only ones allowed to come because they are less likely to be turned to the dark side. lol.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

According to my daughter, she only interacts with other kids who go to her church. Other than the occasional "Hi" in passing, she does not "hang out" , or "eat with", or "get into conversation with" other kids. She will invite them to church, if they come they come, if they don't they don't. When they say "seperate from the world" , thats exactly what it means.

It is strange though. They have one or two who do come occasionally, but its like, they are the only ones allowed to come because they are less likely to be turned to the dark side. lol.

And how do you prepare a group of people to accept this kind of teaching and kids to follow these principles even when they are at school and no one is looking? With the teachings they have been indoctrinated with for generations... The teachings that say that the man of God is somehow closer to God then the rest, that he hears from God in ways that others don't. That anyone who does not conform is bad or even dangerous... You know, the the doctrines espoused in 'Old Time Pentecost'.

But when a pastor evolves into what this doctrine tells him he is, someone who has the right to control others, and so he sets a 'stronger' set of standards in place and takes over the minds of these people who have been trained and previously conditioned to blindly obey and makes them 'his' people, setting them on a course that you believe is too rigid you cry foul. Too funny!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

And how do you prepare a group of people to accept this kind of teaching and kids to follow these principles even when they are at school and no one is looking? With the teachings they have been indoctrinated with for generations... The teachings that say that the man of God is somehow closer to God then the rest, that he hears from God in ways that others don't. You know, the the doctrines espoused in 'Old Time Pentecost'.

LOL, you show them scripture. Lets see, the "man of God" is closer than the rest?? Really ? You don't believe that ? Everyone in the world is equally close to God ? Interesting, not biblical, but interesting. The "man of God" hears from God in ways others don't. Yes thats scriptural too. Now, if your referring to "the man of God" as a pastor, then I don't know. I am referring to the "man of God" as any individual follower of Christ. Which is exactly as it should be.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

But when a pastor evolves into what this doctrine tells him he is, someone who has the right to control others, and so he sets a 'stronger' set of standards in place and takes over the minds of these people who have been trained and previously conditioned to blindly obey and makes them 'his' people, setting them on a course that you believe is too rigid you cry foul. Too funny!

Sounds like you have had a terrible experience. Almost sounds like a good horror book, lol. Sorry you didn't get out of it sooner. But of course that's the motherships fault.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by scotty

LOL, you show them scripture. Lets see, the "man of God" is closer than the rest?? Really ? You don't believe that ? Everyone in the world is equally close to God ? Interesting, not biblical, but interesting. The "man of God" hears from God in ways others don't. Yes thats scriptural too. Now, if your referring to "the man of God" as a pastor, then I don't know. I am referring to the "man of God" as any individual follower of Christ. Which is exactly as it should be.
Sounds like you have had a terrible experience. Almost sounds like a good horror book, lol. Sorry you didn't get out of it sooner. But of course that's the motherships fault.

I don't get the frequent references to the 'mothership'... sounds like maybe you've been smokin' somethin'... KWIM? ...Sure you do...

By 'man of God' I mean it in exactly the same sense it has been used by every preacher and evangelist I have heard say it in the last decade... and that is NOT every believer in Christ and you know it... but hey if you want to make up your own definitions that only you understand go ahead, I'm all good with it.

I think I had an average experience, nothing particularity horrible although it was horrible. Judging from what others who have gotten out have said my experience was certainly not the worst I've heard of, there were even some good parts . It was always 'seek after God with all your heart and soul' from the pulpit... right up until that seeking put me one step off the preached path... 'Get out of your comfort zone and do something for God' right up 'till I got out of the preachers comfort zone by giving my tithe check to a widow to help bury her husband.

At least I can still consider going to church unlike my poor neighbor Peggy who was so shaken by what went on in her experience she swears that she will never go past the doorway of another church again. She was a new convert that had no previous church experience... I am thankful for my years in the Baptist church where there was a church government and accountability and not a dictator or mini-Pope who ruled with an iron fist while preaching about the good ol' brush arbor days of 24 straight hours of HG filled tongue talking... You've heard enough... no I can't love what it stands for anymore... and I don't wax nostalgic for it.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

At least I can still consider going to church unlike my poor neighbor Peggy who was so shaken by what went on in her experience she swears that she will never go past the doorway of another church again. She was a new convert that had no previous church experience... I am thankful for my years in the Baptist church where there was a church government and accountability and not a dictator or mini-Pope who ruled with an iron fist while preaching about the good ol' brush arbor days of 24 straight hours of HG filled tongue talking... You've heard enough... no I can't love what it stands for anymore... and I don't wax nostalgic for it.

They talk about the good ol brush arbor days...yet they are the ones who took pentecost out of "those days" by wanting to be like every other church and some got greedy doing it too.

One pastor had big plans of landscaping around the church with a waterfall. This same pastor was really ugly and yelled at my husband for stepping on the grass.
Boy...that grass was so important.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I don't get the frequent references to the 'mothership'... sounds like maybe you've been smokin' somethin'... KWIM? ...Sure you do...

By 'man of God' I mean it in exactly the same sense it has been used by every preacher and evangelist I have heard say it in the last decade... and that is NOT every believer in Christ and you know it... but hey if you want to make up your own definitions that only you understand go ahead, I'm all good with it.

I think I had an average experience, nothing particularity horrible although it was horrible. Judging from what others who have gotten out have said my experience was certainly not the worst I've heard of, there were even some good parts . It was always 'seek after God with all your heart and soul' from the pulpit... right up until that seeking put me one step off the preached path... 'Get out of your comfort zone and do something for God' right up 'till I got out of the preachers comfort zone by giving my tithe check to a widow to help bury her husband.

At least I can still consider going to church unlike my poor neighbor Peggy who was so shaken by what went on in her experience she swears that she will never go past the doorway of another church again. She was a new convert that had no previous church experience... I am thankful for my years in the Baptist church where there was a church government and accountability and not a dictator or mini-Pope who ruled with an iron fist while preaching about the good ol' brush arbor days of 24 straight hours of HG filled tongue talking... You've heard enough... no I can't love what it stands for anymore... and I don't wax nostalgic for it.

Oh please ! drop the backwoods act. Your smarter than you let on in some post then suddenly "out of touch" in others ??, lol. Really ?

Don't like your pastor, pray for him. Don't like your congregation, pray for them. Can't handle that, leave, which you did. So what is all the spillin milk about ? Yes, all this gets old, same ole same ole. Who knows, maybe they didn't like you either. Maybe there was something about you that they saw from the beginning. Maybe they saw right through all your service to the church when suddenly you had "ideas" to make things better. I love those types, come in and do so much for the church they suddenly think it gives them some kind of "shareholder" rights to direct it. yeah, we got one of those right now. Love her to death, but what a hypocrit.

Either way, you got rid of them or they got rid of you. everyone should be happy now , so why you here ? oh yeah, AA. lol.


(Sorry, Hoovie, just couldn't balance this one. Let all the boo hoo dramatics get to me this time)

[Jay]

Originally Posted by scotty

Wish this were true here, my daughters and a couple of friends went to a UPC event and all of them recieved the Holy ghost and were baptized in Jesus name there. when they returned one friend of 6 years went to a WPF church down the street by invitation. Now, 1year later, she tells my daughters they are not saved because they "talk" to other kids in school who are not in church. We have invited her to come to a function, youth rally , or any service (since their service is not the same time as ours). Her answer is always the same, 'Your church does not preach the truth".

Its sad really. and Im not sure it will ever be repaired.

I suppose that not all WPF churches are going to be the same. However, I know of a pastor who taught that the only time his saints were to have anything to do with sinners was during outreach. Otherwise you did not have any more to do with them than necessary. I have never understood how you have revival with that type of an attitude. Sadly his grandson, my cousin, is not in the church today, and it is largely due to that type of an attitude about many things.

You sound like you belong to a fairly conservative congregation though. How is it that this church does not feel like yours no longer preaches the truth?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Jay

I suppose that not all WPF churches are going to be the same. However, I know of a pastor who taught that the only time his saints were to have anything to do with sinners was during outreach. Otherwise you did not have any more to do with them than necessary. I have never understood how you have revival with that type of an attitude. Sadly his grandson, my cousin, is not in the church today, and it is largely due to that type of an attitude about many things.

You sound like you belong to a fairly conservative congregation though. How is it that this church does not feel like yours no longer preaches the truth?

Good question, I have often wondered myself. I guess I need to go to one of their services and see. I think its because we don't shout every service on every word. I have asked my daughter, who has went several times, what the differences are. She said they will shout and jump at the drop of a hat. but its strange because she got the Holy Ghost and was baptized in UPC and they haven't asked her to be rebaptized or refilled so apparently we speak enough truth to be saved but not enough to stay saved, lol.

One of the guys went to UPC senior camp this past year, they said the pastor called him out and told him to sit down because he was taking a lap around the church on about every other line out of the preachers mouth.

But you are right, just as all UPC's churches are not the same, I'm sure not all WPF churches are the same. But you know how it is around here, you belong to an org and you get stereotyped.