I do not believe that a person who denies Christ will not be saved if they do not repent before death. I do believe that a person can repent, but I do believe that they must have time to repent. There are too many examples of people who held out until the end.
When Jesus said that if we loved life more than Him, He did not exclude us from deaths that would include great suffering. This is why He said that His people should have a greater love for Him rather than for our own families. We are to count all as lost for Him and His service. No matter the pain, suffering, sacrifice, or death.
It wasn't a curse to God or a denial of God to those killing Him but he WAS giving into despair at that moment.
Randy, that was what Jesus said when dying. That was addressed only to God. He only spoke to the one man on the cross that was with Him and promised him paradise for his repentance.
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Originally Posted by NotforSale
So, we are saved by works?
If you consider repentance a work, then your interpretation of my comment would be accurate. However, I said nothing about anything except repentance.
I seem to remember that you do not actually believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and further you have shown that you are rather ignorant of many of the passages contained in it as well as much of church history.
It is true that many of us have not had to suffer as the Apostles and Prophets. However, there have been thousands and likely even millions who have suffered and died. The accounts of their faithfulness can be found in many places. The RCC (for all of its false doctrine) gives us a clue into many of the deaths of the Apostles and the men who followed them. Foxe's Book of Martyrs is filled with those who have suffered horrible deaths for Christ, and their faithfulness. And last, we have many reports from within the last 150 years of the same.
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I am an Apostolic Pentecostal. Apostolic in teaching, and Pentecostal in experience.
If you consider repentance a work, then your interpretation of my comment would be accurate. However, I said nothing about anything except repentance.
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You also mentioned loving God more than life and more than your family, and pain, suffering, sacrifice, and death.
Two Christians are about to die. They both loved God all their lives, served Him well. But at the end, they are being tested. One "endures to the end" and passes, but the other one denies Christ and is killed before there is time to repent. (Some bad guys will kill whether their victim denies Christ or not.)
Where will their eternal rewards be?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
You also mentioned loving God more than life and more than your family, and pain, suffering, sacrifice, and death.
Two Christians are about to die. They both loved God all their lives, served Him well. But at the end, they are being tested. One "endures to the end" and passes, but the other one denies Christ and is killed before there is time to repent. (Some bad guys will kill whether their victim denies Christ or not.)
If you consider repentance a work, then your interpretation of my comment would be accurate. However, I said nothing about anything except repentance.
I seem to remember that you do not actually believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, and further you have shown that you are rather ignorant of many of the passages contained in it as well as much of church history.
It is true that many of us have not had to suffer as the Apostles and Prophets. However, there have been thousands and likely even millions who have suffered and died. The accounts of their faithfulness can be found in many places. The RCC (for all of its false doctrine) gives us a clue into many of the deaths of the Apostles and the men who followed them. Foxe's Book of Martyrs is filled with those who have suffered horrible deaths for Christ, and their faithfulness. And last, we have many reports from within the last 150 years of the same.
Prove the bolded statement. Show me and others on AFF where I'm ignorant of Biblical passages and Church History. Your quick to the draw rhetoric is an absolute farce!
I've been studying Scripture and Church History for over 30 years and I'm well prepared to battle you on this. Just say, "When".
Now, according to you, if Repentance is required, is anything else required?
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