Planned Parenthood Plans 40 Days of Prayer (L)

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Neither does contraception but I'm sure you're okay with that.

Medicine does not answer the question of what is a human being. Medicine says look we can see the fetus and at certain ages of development it looks startlingly human. So what? We knew it would eventually look human if it came out looking like a human. So what if it feels pain. Cows feel pain too but we still grind them into hamburgers every day.

The one thing I can agree with you on is that we are eventually going to be able to get fetuses out and alive at very early ages. That's amazing and will play a major role in ending abortions. Having a fetus outside the womb and living still doesn't necessitate that it's a human being though.

Actually in my personal life I am not OK with contraception, much of which interfers with implantation rather than conception so it abortifacient. However I do not make other women's decisions in my work, not about contraception and not about abortion. I am a care provider, not a life coach. I simply see the lesser of many evils that need to be used in a world where there is a lot of unmarried, even promiscuious sex going on. It is the reality... and again I have no desire to force sinners into the Christian model- they are supposed to be doing exactly what they are doing. They can have contraception, they can have abortions, heck, they can kill the store clerk down the street when they rob him.... but I won't support laws that make it legal to do so and I do support laws that make it illegal.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Actually in my personal life I am not OK with contraception, much of which interfers with implantation rather than conception so it abortifacient. However I do not make other women's decisions in my work, not about contraception and not about abortion. I am a care provider, not a life coach. I simply see the lesser of many evils that need to be used in a world where there is a lot of unmarried, even promiscuious sex going on. It is the reality... and again I have no desire to force sinners into the Christian model- they are supposed to be doing exactly what they are doing. They can have contraception, they can have abortions, heck, they can kill the store clerk down the street when they rob him.... but I won't support laws that make it legal to do so and I do support laws that make it illegal.

[jfrog]

There are things called genetic chimmeras. These occur when there are two embryos that fuse together and make one human person. But since both embryos were human persons then both have souls right? And since neither embryo died then both souls are still in their body right? But that leads us to quite a predicament, we would have one preson with 2 souls... That doesn't make sense to me so I believe embryos don't yet have a soul and that the soul is infused sometime later during pregnancy.

Bump. How come no one has commented on this?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Bump. How come no one has commented on this?

Genetic manipulation.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Genetic manipulation.

The process I described was a very natural process...

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Bump. How come no one has commented on this?

That's not a insignificant observation. What about fertilized eggs that start dividing like normal but a few days later divide a "little too much", thus forming an identical twin? About the majority of fertilized eggs that never get implanted in the first place?

In light of this, there is a VERY significant time in a (living) eggs life and it happens around the four week mark when the heart starts pumping and the first brain waves are detectable, and each happens often within minutes or hours of each other. I believe THIS moment is much more poignant than the act of fertilization.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

That's not a insignificant observation. What about fertilized eggs that start dividing like normal but a few days later divide a "little too much", thus forming an identical twin? About the majority of fertilized eggs that never get implanted in the first place?

In light of this, there is a VERY significant time in a (living) eggs life and it happens around the four week mark when the heart starts pumping and the first brain waves are detectable, and each happens often within minutes or hours of each other. I believe THIS moment is much more poignant than the act of fertilization.

But according to frog, it's not human.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

But according to frog, it's not human.

I don't have much of a problem with his definition.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

But according to frog, it's not human.

I can't speak for him but to me this is truly the time when the fetus goes from being "alive" in the same way that any other cell in the body is living to a full blooded human being with heart and soul. The few weeks leading up to this moment are simply too volatile with both spontaneous miscarriages to splitting (identical twins). It is also not that many days after the woman starts suspecting she may be pregnant.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I can't speak for him but to me this is truly the time when the fetus goes from being "alive" in the same way that any other cell in the body is living to a full blooded human being with heart and soul. The few weeks leading up to this moment are simply too volatile with both spontaneous miscarriages to splitting (identical twins). It is also not that many days after the woman starts suspecting she may be pregnant.

Randy, I've already made the point that life is in the blood in my past posts. By the time a woman even suspects she is pregnant, the baby has developed a heart and circulatory system.