Texas Petition to Secede 60k sign Petition - Page 3

Esther · #21 11-14-2012, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey

Obama won't let them do dat, he don't want anyone to succeed!

Does he have that power?

scotty · #22 11-14-2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Does he have that power?

Not sure what the legalities are cause since the Civil War it has never went that far. I would think it would have to be put to vote within the state and pass a vote in the local government.

That would be the difficult part, though I believe Texas would be the first to pull it off.

Esther · #23 11-14-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Not sure what the legalities are cause since the Civil War it has never went that far. I would think it would have to be put to vote within the state and pass a vote in the local government.

That would be the difficult part, though I believe Texas would be the first to pull it off.

My understanding was Texas is the only state that put that option in when they joined.

I thought if Texas wants out the state only has to decide (not sure how) not required to have consent from USA.

Light · #24 11-14-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

My understanding was Texas is the only state that put that option in when they joined.

I thought if Texas wants out the state only has to decide (not sure how) not required to have consent from USA.

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Cindy · #25 11-14-2012, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

My understanding was Texas is the only state that put that option in when they joined.

I thought if Texas wants out the state only has to decide (not sure how) not required to have consent from USA.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_Texas_...from_the_union

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession. There is no provision in the Texas Constitution (current or former) that reserves the right of secession, but it does state that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

Both original and current Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Texas and Hawaii are two states that were once recognized as independent nations, before choosing to join the Union. Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

Some people claim that the Civil War proved that secession is illegal. Whether one was in favor of the North or the South, all that war actually "proved" is that a state or group of states can be militarily forced to continue being a part of a group. Superior strength does not prove morality or legality as any citizen of the former Soviet Union can attest.

scotty · #26 11-14-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

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Ummm, see below.

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Originally Posted by Cindy

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_Texas_...from_the_union

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession. There is no provision in the Texas Constitution (current or former) that reserves the right of secession, but it does state that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

Both original and current Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Texas and Hawaii are two states that were once recognized as independent nations, before choosing to join the Union. Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

Some people claim that the Civil War proved that secession is illegal. Whether one was in favor of the North or the South, all that war actually "proved" is that a state or group of states can be militarily forced to continue being a part of a group. Superior strength does not prove morality or legality as any citizen of the former Soviet Union can attest.

Texas is a Republic, not a 'state' of the 'union'.

Here, let me highlight it for you.

Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession.

Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

endtimer · #27 11-14-2012, 02:48 PM

Coming from a supporter of state government over federal government, meaning the state should have a lot less federal involvement in the way it governs itself. I have no problem with a state wanting to succeed. A coupla thoughts, far as I know there are no states officially wanting to succeed, these are unelected, common folk signing this petition. Signing the petition is a serious thing and should not be done just to make a point, signers of the petition are suggesting they want to give up their citizenship of the US. The states wanting to leaving the union would have to payback their share of the national debt, to refuse could lead to war. The states succeeding would have to have a way of defending itself, especially border states (national guard maybe?). They would have to have a strong economy by itself, natural resources, trade agreements, new currency, etc. There would be a lot to consider and doesn't look advantageous, maybe Texas could. Did I miss any thing?

Cindy · #28 11-14-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by endtimer

Coming from a supporter of state government over federal government, meaning the state should have a lot less federal involvement in the way it governs itself. I have no problem with a state wanting to succeed. A coupla thoughts, far as I know there are no states officially wanting to succeed, these are unelected, common folk signing this petition. Signing the petition is a serious thing and should not be done just to make a point, signers of the petition are suggesting they want to give up their citizenship of the US. The states wanting to leaving the union would have to payback their share of the national debt, to refuse could lead to war. The states succeeding would have to have a way of defending itself, especially border states (national guard maybe?). They would have to have a strong economy by itself, natural resources, trade agreements, new currency, etc. There would be a lot to consider and doesn't look advantageous, maybe Texas could. Did I miss any thing?

You didn't miss much. It's really not that feasible, since we use the same currency. As far as I know Texas doesn't print it's own money.

Light · #29 11-14-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty

Ummm, see below.

Texas is a Republic, not a 'state' of the 'union'.

Here, let me highlight it for you.

Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession.

Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

. Fact or fiction? As a condition of its admission to the Union, Texas was given the unilateral power to return to its former Lone Star Republic status if it so chose.

FICTION.

Gov. Rick Perry is responsible for spreading this widely held misconception. Three years ago, he declared, “When we came into the Union in 1845, one of the issues was that we’d be able to leave if we decided to do that.”

That’s just plain not true.

Texas has no right to secede. But the bottom line is that any state — or confederation of states — can illegally secede from the Union. But the result, as we discovered in 1861, is Civil War.

endtimer · #30 11-14-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

You didn't miss much. It's really not that feasible, since we use the same currency. As far as I know Texas doesn't print it's own money.

Yeah but Im sure they could do that easily enough. The US government is doing it all the time. (couldnt find the eye roll/sarcastic emoticon)