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02-18-2013, 12:54 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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I never implied that Jesus was "play acting". The challenge of Satan was real. Just as real as in Heaven. He was challenging the "flesh" now.
I agree that He was tempted in all points as a man. Therefore, He does sympathize with our weaknesses.
The scripture still stands that He did not need anyone to "testify/witness" what was in man, he knew what was in man. How? "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." John 1:3
I still contend that you must be deceived in order to sin, and Jesus could not be deceived. That doesn't mean He would not be tempted nor challenged.
He was baptized of John in order to "fulfill all righteousness", he was also tempted like as we - yet without sin. Why? Because He was perfect, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, chosen to be the High Priest - it was not possible that He could sin. It was only possible that he would be challenged, which He was by Satan and even by the Pharisees. That continues to be my view. |
If I am tempted with something that I can not give into is it really a temptation? Somethings we won't know on this side of Heaven.
In your opinion was was Christ Baptized since you brought up the subject.
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02-18-2013, 01:01 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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If I am tempted with something that I can not give into is it really a temptation?
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peirazō: Tempted/Tested
Was God able to give into and fall into Satan's power when he challenged His authority in Heaven? Isn't it the same difference - God manifest in the flesh?
How could the God that stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. ( Job 26:7) ever possibly fail us in Heaven or on Earth?
Are you tempted by everything that comes before you? More plainly, there are very few men that can tempt me, but woe to me to the one that can.  That's when you really need God.
Jesus was God manifest in flesh. What was Satan tempting Him with that He didn't already have?
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02-18-2013, 01:08 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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peirazō: Tempted/Tested
Was God able to give into and fall into Satan's power when he challenged His authority in Heaven? Isn't it the same difference - God manifest in the flesh?
How could the God that stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. ( Job 26:7) ever possibly fail us in Heaven or on Earth?
Are you tempted by everything that comes before you? More plainly, there are very few men that can tempt me, but woe to me to the one that can. That's when you really need God.
Jesus was God manifest in flesh. What was Satan tempting Him with that He didn't already have?
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Can you not fail a test???? Is it a true test if you have the key to the test??? Where in scripture does it say that He could not have given it to those temptation or test. He was born without and died without sin as to be the spotless lamb.
There are very few women that can tempt me because I am high maintenance. 
Good stuff sister! 
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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Can you not fail a test???? Where in scripture does it say that He could not have given it to those temptation or test. He was born without and died without sin as to be the spotless lamb.
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I am simply unable to separate Him from His Diety. I believe that He cannot sin, as He is God in the flesh. It would make God a failure. God is not a man that He can lie - so He is unable to be deceiving. He knows what is in man - so He cannot be deceived. How can He fail? He can be challenged and tested, but fail? 
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There are very few women that can tempt me because I am high maintenance.
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Gotta stick with the one that can handle it, huh? Same here.
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Good stuff sister!
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Enjoying the conversation.
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02-18-2013, 01:18 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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I am simply unable to separate Him from His Diety. I believe that He cannot sin, as He is God in the flesh. It would make God a failure. God is not a man that He can lie - so He is unable to be deceiving. He knows what is in man - so He cannot be deceived. How can He fail? He can be challenged and tested, but fail?
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So, what was the purpose of God taking on the robe of flesh, really?
I mean, he could have healed people from heaven......why make the human body die on the cross? And how could Jesus have died if he wasn't human? God can't die......deity can't die.
So, here we are on the horns of a dilemma. Not only was Jesus flesh, but his flesh didn't really want to be crucified.....he had to PRAY to the Father for strength......doesn't sound like deity to me....sounds like humanity.......
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02-18-2013, 01:20 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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So, what was the purpose of God taking on the robe of flesh, really?
I mean, he could have healed people from heaven......why make the human body die on the cross? And how could Jesus have died if he wasn't human? God can't die......deity can't die.
So, here we are on the horns of a dilemma. Not only was Jesus flesh, but his flesh didn't really want to be crucified.....he had to PRAY to the Father for strength......doesn't sound like deity to me....sounds like humanity.......
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Certainly, but not to the extent that we are. Joseph wasn't his father, as you and I have a father. I couldn't imagine how Mary viewed him all of her life.
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02-18-2013, 01:29 PM
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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So, what was the purpose of God taking on the robe of flesh, really?
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The only simple answer I know to be true (to follow the Law of His Word, as He does nothing outside of His Word) is found in Isaiah 59:16 "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him."
No one could have redeemed us, He had to come Himself.
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Re: Something interesting about gays.
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The only simple answer I know to be true (to follow the Law of His Word, as He does nothing outside of His Word) is found in Isaiah 59:16 "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him."
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Why couldn't God have just done that from heaven?
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