School assembly with guys in skirts!

[KeptByTheWord]

I guess the issue with me touched a nerve as my kids have been coming home almost every day telling me about gay/lesbian behavior going on openly in the school.

Then, we all know how much the gay marriage rights issue is being pushed on every level.

I've wrestled with how I should have handled the situation... on one hand, perhaps I should have stayed home, and not meddled in the situation, but on the other hand, I felt as though I needed to know the details, and be informed about what exactly is taking place at the high school my kids attend.

One thing good did come out of this. I did have a very long talk with both my children about this issue and they understand the underlying issue here basically is to blur the distinction of the sexes, and eventually for everyone to accept gay/lesbian behavior as normal and acceptable, thereby setting the stage eventually for gay marriage to be the accepted norm.

I gave them this example ... we are like frogs being dumped into a huge pot of cold water, and the temperature is slowly being raised until it gets to such a degree that we will have become so numb to what is going on around us that we won't realize our very life is at stake, until it is too late to do anything about it.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I guess the issue with me touched a nerve as my kids have been coming home almost every day telling me about gay/lesbian behavior going on openly in the school.

Then, we all know how much the gay marriage rights issue is being pushed on every level.

I've wrestled with how I should have handled the situation... on one hand, perhaps I should have stayed home, and not meddled in the situation, but on the other hand, I felt as though I needed to know the details, and be informed about what exactly is taking place at the high school my kids attend.

One thing good did come out of this. I did have a very long talk with both my children about this issue and they understand the underlying issue here basically is to blur the distinction of the sexes, and eventually for everyone to accept gay/lesbian behavior as normal and acceptable, thereby setting the stage eventually for gay marriage to be the accepted norm.

I gave them this example ... we are like frogs being dumped into a huge pot of cold water, and the temperature is slowly being raised until it gets to such a degree that we will have become so numb to what is going on around us that we won't realize our very life is at stake, until it is too late to do anything about it.

There is so much stuff that goes on in schools. I don't know what I would do if my kids were school aged now. I haven't had to think about that for a while. It's a tough thing.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by ILG

I think there is a difference between doing it as a joke and doing it for real. The only concern is, as KBTW said, is breaking down barriers. But then, being funny does often push boundaries.

I agree that years ago it was funny, because no one even considered it as a possibility of ever really taking place. Nowadays... a different story. This was my husband's opinion too on the matter.

Originally Posted by ILG

There is so much stuff that goes on in schools. I don't know what I would do if my kids were school aged now. I haven't had to think about that for a while. It's a tough thing.

Yes, public school education today is a far different thing than it was when I went to school. My kids are seeing things and dealing with things that I've never had to deal with. Two gay boys sitting at lunch next to my daughter discussing their "gay" activities. It makes me gag just thinking about what my kids have to see and hear every day they go to school.

And... this behavior is not just limited to public schools. I've looked into private schools in our area, and talked to other parents who have enrolled their children because of the same issues, and they didn't find much difference in the behaviors at private school, as opposed to public school. It is because the entire generational moral character has so declined.

Home schooling is an option, but one that we've never considered because we've always felt that our kids need to learn how to deal with the "real" world while we as parents are there to help, encourage, and support them.

I've seen too many horror stories of homeschooled children going to college, and spiraling into a terrible state because they had no social skills to deal with the issues that the real world throws at them. For that reason, we have not ever chosen to do home school, because we want our children to have the social skills and abilities to deal with the junk the world throws at them while we as parents are there to support and encourage them, and help them get through it.

Our family sits around the dinner table every evening, and discuss the events of their day. We pray together, and read the Bible together as a family. My kids share their concerns with us and we pray with them, and give them advice and try to find solutions to their dilemma within the word of God.

We have taught our children that they are to consider school as their mission field, and as a chance to be a witness to a dark world. Going to a school like this is no different than a missionary going to the far off corners of the world and teaching folks about Jesus. These children (for the most part) have no knowledge about Jesus.

In fact, my daughter and son both tell me that many of their friends confide their problems to them, because they think my kids "don't have any problems" (not true of course they are teenagers and aren't perfect) but these kids here know my kids will care and pray for them.

Many times during our family prayer, my kids are praying for their friends at school. I believe the Lord is doing a work through them, allowing them to be a light in the darkness.

It is for this reason that I feel the Lord would have us continue to allow our kids to attend this school. But at the same time, I just can't stand by and see this kind of behavior going on in such a public manner, without saying something. After all.... our tax dollars are paying for my children's education, and I do have a right to say something...

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Home schooling is an option, but one that we've never considered because we've always felt that our kids need to learn how to deal with the "real" world while we as parents are there to help, encourage, and support them...

Well, but they're kids, spending more time there, than with you, effectively, yes? How much might the world be actually dealing with them?

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I've seen too many horror stories of homeschooled children going to college, and spiraling into a terrible state because they had no social skills to deal with the issues that the real world throws at them. For that reason, we have not ever chosen to do home school, because we want our children to have the social skills and abilities to deal with the junk the world throws at them while we as parents are there to support and encourage them, and help them get through it.

There are ways to deal with this that avoid the unremitting onslaught.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

...Going to a school like this is no different than a missionary going to the far off corners of the world...

I can think of a crucial difference; a missionary has 1) matured, and also volunteered; but any supposedly has done that...a missionary is also trained for this...not the same, to me.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

In fact, my daughter and son both tell me that many of their friends confide their problems to them, because they think my kids "don't have any problems" (not true of course they are teenagers and aren't perfect) but these kids here know my kids will care and pray for them.

Many times during our family prayer, my kids are praying for their friends at school. I believe the Lord is doing a work through them, allowing them to be a light in the darkness.

It is for this reason that I feel the Lord would have us continue to allow our kids to attend this school. But at the same time, I just can't stand by and see this kind of behavior going on in such a public manner, without saying something. After all.... our tax dollars are paying for my children's education, and I do have a right to say something

Ha I'd be screaming bloody murder; and your kids sound like the exception, I guess. I might wonder at what cost to their genuine education, but most of that is prolly yack anyway, if they are focused on what they want to be when they grow up already. Best of luck to them and you, and I'll be including ALL kids in this position in my prayers.

[Titus2woman]

All five of my boys cheered at Powder Puff Football and they are all hetro and I don't have a cross-dresser in the bunch.

We belonged to the most strict church in the district and still every year at our talent show or one of the big dramas there would be at least one guy in womens clothes for a skit or role... I think it is usually funny... Flip Wilson with Geraldine, Tyler Perry with Madia and a lot of old and new comedians have had female characters. None of them became homosexual.

I can't imagine the pair of Carhart overalls that would make me change my sexual preference... or the hair bow and pom-poms that could make my husband want to have sex with a man. I think the abomination is in cross-dressing for sexual pleasure, not for a joke. I would just not get too wound up about it... But that's just me.

And of course I think most make up looks just as gross on women as men... so no real dif there.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I agree that years ago it was funny, because no one even considered it as a possibility of ever really taking place. Nowadays... a different story. This was my husband's opinion too on the matter.



Yes, public school education today is a far different thing than it was when I went to school. My kids are seeing things and dealing with things that I've never had to deal with. Two gay boys sitting at lunch next to my daughter discussing their "gay" activities. It makes me gag just thinking about what my kids have to see and hear every day they go to school.

And... this behavior is not just limited to public schools. I've looked into private schools in our area, and talked to other parents who have enrolled their children because of the same issues, and they didn't find much difference in the behaviors at private school, as opposed to public school. It is because the entire generational moral character has so declined.

Home schooling is an option, but one that we've never considered because we've always felt that our kids need to learn how to deal with the "real" world while we as parents are there to help, encourage, and support them.

I've seen too many horror stories of homeschooled children going to college, and spiraling into a terrible state because they had no social skills to deal with the issues that the real world throws at them. For that reason, we have not ever chosen to do home school, because we want our children to have the social skills and abilities to deal with the junk the world throws at them while we as parents are there to support and encourage them, and help them get through it.

Our family sits around the dinner table every evening, and discuss the events of their day. We pray together, and read the Bible together as a family. My kids share their concerns with us and we pray with them, and give them advice and try to find solutions to their dilemma within the word of God.

We have taught our children that they are to consider school as their mission field, and as a chance to be a witness to a dark world. Going to a school like this is no different than a missionary going to the far off corners of the world and teaching folks about Jesus. These children (for the most part) have no knowledge about Jesus.

In fact, my daughter and son both tell me that many of their friends confide their problems to them, because they think my kids "don't have any problems" (not true of course they are teenagers and aren't perfect) but these kids here know my kids will care and pray for them.

Many times during our family prayer, my kids are praying for their friends at school. I believe the Lord is doing a work through them, allowing them to be a light in the darkness.

It is for this reason that I feel the Lord would have us continue to allow our kids to attend this school. But at the same time, I just can't stand by and see this kind of behavior going on in such a public manner, without saying something. After all.... our tax dollars are paying for my children's education, and I do have a right to say something...

Really this is just a taste of what the world is like now. I sit in the lunch room at work and hear about people I work with having three-somes with their husbands and other women, watching pornos with their boyfriends, buying sex toys, etc. There is simply no shame in anything sexual in many circles now. It is noting for women to admit to having had scores of sexual partners when asked by the doctor (yes, it's a routine question at the GYN) and they don't bat an eye when they say it. I am asked weekly by a pregnant woman if there is DNA to identify the father of her baby before it is born because there is more than one choice and they want to know who to seek support from.

I personally don't think there is any unringing this bell. We just have to be aware of what is really out there and educate our children about sin and it's consequences. And we need to live in a way that they know we mean what we say and see how it has blessed us to live the way we do. They have to WANT this because there is ever other choice out there... and really no way to shelter then from knowing it.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Really this is just a taste of what the world is like now. I sit in the lunch room at work and hear about people I work with having three-somes with their husbands and other women, watching pornos with their boyfriends, buying sex toys, etc. There is simply no shame in anything sexual in many circles now. It is noting for women to admit to having had scores of sexual partners when asked by the doctor (yes, it's a routine question at the GYN) and they don't bat an eye when they say it. I am asked weekly by a pregnant woman if there is DNA to identify the father of her baby before it is born because there is more than one choice and they want to know who to seek support from.

I personally don't think there is any unringing this bell. We just have to be aware of what is really out there and educate our children about sin and it's consequences. And we need to live in a way that they know we mean what we say and see how it has blessed us to live the way we do. They have to WANT this because there is ever other choice out there... and really no way to shelter then from knowing it.

Wow, I am surprised the women around you talk about that stuff!

Anyway, I also think the thing is there is no unringing this bell. We can't go back to before the sexual revolution. This is our culture now whether we like it or not. I don't like it, but the only thing I can do is choose for myself. I can't even choose for my children but I did and still do teach them my morals (even though they are adults). I grieve for this society that I think has lost so much.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by ILG

Wow, I am surprised the women around you talk about that stuff!

Anyway, I also think the thing is there is no unringing this bell. We can't go back to before the sexual revolution. This is our culture now whether we like it or not. I don't like it, but the only thing I can do is choose for myself. I can't even choose for my children but I did and still do teach them my morals (even though they are adults). I grieve for this society that I think has lost so much.

They just don't feel any shame about it... It's as natural as talking about other body functions (that were never mentioned in polite company) to them. There are some who won't do it if I am there because I'm the 'religious' one and they understand that I should be offended but others just don't get it or don't really know me. Of course these are the same girls that show up for funerals in strapless, flowery, party dresses, wear white to weddings, expect gifts at showers for marriages to guys they have lived with for years and already have kids with and showers for babies from unplanned pregnancies with boyfriends who are already out of the picture. They may have three kids by three baby-daddies, two of whom are in jail, and none of which is the current guy they live with... And they are just considered 'regular folk' by most everyone around.

Times have changed... and not really in a good way.

[bbyrd009]

Hi, T2W. Good 2CU.

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Times have changed... and not really in a good way.

Well, ladies, it can be easy to view this from only one--our--perspective, that 'of the moment,' when in fact history shows that the bell will be unrung; or a 'new' bell will ring. In 10, or 50 years, the pendulum will swing.