The Apostle's Creed:

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Couple of issues with this statement... While we may all have 'bibles' now when the creeds were written this was just NOT the case.... and even the few living monastic lives who had access to 'bibles' did not have the 'bibles' that are on my bookshelf in 8 versions and on my computer in 29+. Much of religion was oral tradition. The creeds served to help believers remember in what (who) they had placed their faith.

You would have to show me the 'sore thumbs' here. I still love the Apostles creed an one of my biggest disappointments in DKB was the way he villianized those who wrote them as if their sole purpose was to screw up someones theology. Good grief.

As a student and now teacher of the History of Christian Doctrine, I'm afraid I have to side with DKB on this one. The creedal development was heavily influenced by pagan ideology and Greek philosophy. The story behind them is one of intrigue, political machinations and false doctrine.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

As a student and now teacher of the History of Christian Doctrine, I'm afraid I have to side with DKB on this one. The creedal development was heavily influenced by pagan ideology and Greek philosophy. The story behind them is one of intrigue, political machinations and false doctrine.

I've read all three volumes of his History of Christian Doctrine. While I appreciate much about it and agree with the less than pure motives of many of the church fathers, I still believe that we had then exactly what we have now, your basic power struggle. Since the beginning people have been warring for their own views of God to be the most correct, the most accepted, the most popular and sometimes even the ONLY instead of the most.

Today when I read or speak the Apostles Creed and I am not focused on being theologically correct but rather I am reminded only of how many faithful, over millennia, have recited it with a pure heart and a genuine desire to be pleasing to God, I feel the ties that bind me to those souls who have finished their courses well... and I find no fault.

It is sad to me that many Apostolics have thrown the baby out with the bath water and claim so little precious church history as their own, essentially believing that the world was in apostasy for almost two thousand years until Azuza Street.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I've read all three volumes of his History of Christian Doctrine. While I appreciate much about it and agree with the less than pure motives of many of the church fathers, I still believe that we had then exactly what we have now, your basic power struggle. Since the beginning people have been warring for their own views of God to be the most correct, the most accepted, the most popular and sometimes even the ONLY instead of the most.

Today when I read or speak the Apostles Creed and I am not focused on being theologically correct but rather I am reminded only of how many faithful, over millennia, have recited it with a pure heart and a genuine desire to be pleasing to God, I feel the ties that bind me to those souls who have finished their courses well... and I find no fault.

It is sad to me that many Apostolics have thrown the baby out with the bath water and claim so little precious church history as their own, essentially believing that the world was in apostasy for almost two thousand years until Azuza Street.