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09-24-2013, 02:23 AM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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To walk in the Spirit is to live a sanctified life and therefore to walk free from the carnal nature. Which will result in living free of sin.
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What does that look like? How do we walk in the Spirit?
To tell someone to "walk in the Spirit and you won't gratify the desires of the flesh" or "live a sanctified life and you will walk free from the carnal nature"...what does that mean? What does that look like?
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09-26-2013, 07:54 PM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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To walk in the Spirit is to live a sanctified life and therefore to walk free from the carnal nature. Which will result in living free of sin.
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Help me please.
Are you saying that you're "sanctified" and "walking in the Spirit" to the point of being "free from sin".
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09-26-2013, 09:54 PM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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Help me please.
Are you saying that you're "sanctified" and "walking in the Spirit" to the point of being "free from sin".
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Yes but not just sanctified Upton a point but as it says in 1 Thessalonians 523,24 wholly sanctified.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
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09-29-2013, 02:29 PM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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Yes but not just sanctified Upton a point but as it says in 1 Thessalonians 523,24 wholly sanctified.
1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 5:24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. |
Does your doctrine imply that our soul and body can be sanctifed but not our spirit? or that our spirit and body can be sanctified but not our soul? or that our body can be sanctified but not our spirit and soul? Or can part of our spirit be unsanctified?
It would also appear to be saying that God is the sanctifier and we are the sanctified.
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09-24-2013, 08:58 AM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
It looks like a life a submission to God. Have you ever read the book in His steps? That is a good picture. It is basically living your life with the one goal of glorifying God in all things.
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09-24-2013, 09:01 AM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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It looks like a life a submission to God. Have you ever read the book in His steps? That is a good picture. It is basically living your life with the one goal of glorifying God in all things.
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Can a person do this from the moment of initial faith in Christ?
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09-24-2013, 09:04 AM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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Can a person do this from the moment of initial faith in Christ?
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From initial salvation they can and should desire to but they cannot because of the flesh still wars within them.
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09-24-2013, 03:05 PM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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From initial salvation they can and should desire to but they cannot because of the flesh still wars within them.
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So then a person who is 'saved' is not being led of the spirit?
A person who is 'justified' and 'right with God' is not being led of the spirit?
A person who is right with God, has repented of their sins, is justified... is not 'submitted to God'? So they are still in rebellion against God?
Wouldn't that mean they are still... sinners? IE living in rebellion against God, have not obeyed God, do not obey God...
In fact CANNOT obey God, CANNOT submit to God until God does something in them?
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09-24-2013, 04:16 PM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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So then a person who is 'saved' is not being led of the spirit?
A person who is 'justified' and 'right with God' is not being led of the spirit?
A person who is right with God, has repented of their sins, is justified... is not 'submitted to God'? So they are still in rebellion against God?
Wouldn't that mean they are still... sinners? IE living in rebellion against God, have not obeyed God, do not obey God...
In fact CANNOT obey God, CANNOT submit to God until God does something in them?
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I never said that were not being led by the Spirit rather I said they were not WALKING (continually) in the Spirit. I also never said that they were in rebellion but I did say that their nature was still carnal and not subject to the law of God (Paul also said this) and therefore at wars against the Spirit. Total submission comes when the flesh is destroyed at the point of sanctification then we can experience continual walking in the Spirit.
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09-29-2013, 01:10 PM
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Re: The doctrine of subsequence
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From initial salvation they can and should desire to but they cannot because of the flesh still wars within them.
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Does your view allow for spiritual growth are we fully mature when filled with the Spirit?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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