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[renee819]

N David wrote,

You don't control your tongue. When you speak in tongues, you're not in control of your tongue.

Saying you can "think in tongues" is absurd, to be blunt. There is no example in the Bible of someone "thinking in tongues." You can pray in your mind, but you cannot "think in tongues." People who claim to "think in tongues" should check themselves into a mental institution.

Renee apparently didn't understand what I posted, because she completely missed the point by going on and on about something else entirely.

NO, I am not missing the point. I said that you can control whether you speak in tongues or not.

David wrote,

Speaking in tongues is the complete opposite, you don't have control, rather the spirit speaks through you.

Of course, the Spirit speaks thru you, but you have control of, if you speak or if you want to remain quiet. But you are the one missing the point. You don't speak with your mouth, or you can speak, when the tongues is in your head.

And I did not go on and on about other things. Since you said that “you don't have control.” I went on to say, 'that is one of the problems in the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches. They have been taught that they don't have control. Leading to wild services.

David, I know that you for some reason, don't like me. You don't know me. But it seems to me that every serious Post that I write, you try to disprove what I say. But to say that there is something wrong with me mentally, and I belong in a mental hospital, is not just rude, it is hateful and shows your spirit. And yes, it offends me greatly.

And I see where you changed control, to mean control of the tongue. And in that you are absolutely right. When a person speaks in tongues, they don't have control of their tongue. If they did, they would have to think of what to say next.
Neither do they control the words in their head. And they don't have to be spoken, to be there.

I believe there are others on here that would disagree with you, about my mental state.

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

NO, I am not missing the point. I said that you can control whether you speak in tongues or not.

Right, and that is not what I was talking about. Of course you can control whether or not you choose to speak in tongues; that is not my contention.

Originally Posted by renee819

And I see where you changed control, to mean control of the tongue. And in that you are absolutely right. When a person speaks in tongues, they don't have control of their tongue. If they did, they would have to think of what to say next. Neither do they control the words in their head. And they don't have to be spoken, to be there.

This is what I mean by not having control of your tongue. And yes, you did miss the point and go off on other things I wasn't remotely referring to....Charismatics and wild services.

Originally Posted by renee819

David, I know that you for some reason, don't like me. You don't know me. But it seems to me that every serious Post that I write, you try to disprove what I say. But to say that there is something wrong with me mentally, and I belong in a mental hospital, is not just rude, it is hateful and shows your spirit. And yes, it offends me greatly.

I believe there are others on here that would disagree with you, about my mental state.

Wait a tick, where do you get that I don't like you? Seriously. You're correct, I don't know you. I've disagreed with your RCC/home church/church buildings are sin posts, but that doesn't mean I don't like you. I've had many disagreements with several liberals on here, but it doesn't mean I don't like them. BTW, I've also agreed with you on a few posts.

Look, I responded a page into this thread, which was started by Berkeley, not you; I responded to the original question posed: "Do you think in tongues."

My initial post had nothing to do with you at all.

My second post did address your post about being in control. I wrote that it was a reason I don't believe people can think in tongues.

The post where I mention that people who think in tongues need to check themselves into a mental institution was a direct response to a request by Berkeley to elaborate on what I meant. I did not quote you, nor was it directed at you. The only reference to you was that you missed the point of my post by going off about Charismatics and wild services.

Originally Posted by renee819

But to say that there is something wrong with me mentally, and I belong in a mental hospital, is not just rude, it is hateful and shows your spirit. And yes, it offends me greatly.

I'm sorry that you felt I was singling you out; however, that is not what happened. Show me where I did what you claim I did. Show me where I said there's something wrong with YOU mentally, or where I posted that YOU belong in a mental hospital.

Please, show me where I singled YOU out. Never happened.

Saying you can "think in tongues" is absurd, to be blunt. There is no example in the Bible of someone "thinking in tongues." You can pray in your mind, but you cannot "think in tongues." People who claim to "think in tongues" should check themselves into a mental institution.

The original question was "Do you think in tongues." This answer was a response to Berkeley's request that I elaborate on my answer, not a shot at you.

[renee819]

David wrote,

I'm sorry that you felt I was singling you out; however, that is not what happened. Show me where I did what you claim I did. Show me where I said there's something wrong with YOU mentally, or where I posted that YOU belong in a mental hospital.

Please, show me where I singled YOU out. Never happened.

WHAT???? Now you claim that you weren't talking to me??? Please tell me. Is there anyone else on here that said that they thought in tongues?

WHO WAS THIS ADDRESSED TO? Who is the YOU?

David wrote

Saying you can "think in tongues" is absurd, to be blunt. There is no example in the Bible of someone "thinking in tongues." You can pray in your mind, but you cannot "think in tongues." People who claim to "think in tongues" should check themselves into a mental institution.
The original question was "Do you think in tongues." This answer was a response to Berkeley's request that I elaborate on my answer, not a shot at you.

Then when kclee4jc told you, “that was uncalled for.” You partly apologized, then turned around and said it again

David wrote

I apologize for the offense. A person claiming to "think in tongues" is not in control of their mind, if true. The Holy Ghost is by the Spirit's utterance and not by our will or power. If a person is claiming to "think in tongues" they've (in essence) lost their mind and should check themselves into a mental institution

David wrote,

My second post did address your post about being in control. I wrote that it was a reason I don't believe people can think in tongues.

The post where I mention that people who think in tongues need to check themselves into a mental institution was a direct response to a request by Berkeley to elaborate on what I meant. I did not quote you, nor was it directed at you. The only reference to you was that you missed the point of my post by going off about Charismatics and wild services

“Think in tongues” was a quote from me. I don't see where anyone else said that. What I see, is you backing down, so as not to ask for forgiveness for your, rude, hateful attitude.
Of course it was a request from Berkeley. He, like I probably sensed that you didn't know what you were talking about, when you said that 'people don't have control' meaning, that people don't have control of the spirit.

We all know, at least all those that speak in tongues, that you don't have control of your tongue. If you did, it would not be Other Tongues, nor Unknown Tongues. But to teach that you don't have control of whether you speak out or speak to yourself (thinking in tongues) is exactly what Paul was teaching against, and has caused much confusion in the churches today, when everyone speaks in tongues at the same time. Or thru manipulation ends up in a shouting match causing a wild service, that many think is great.

However, if no one was healed. No one repented or received the Holy Ghost, then it was just an emotional high. And the reason???? The people have not been taught to control themselves, to speak one at a time, to interpret what is spoken. And if there is not an 'interpreter' to “speak to yourself (think in tongues) and to God.”

You sir, changed the subject, when you said that people didn't have control.

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

WHAT???? Now you claim that you weren't talking to me??? Please tell me. Is there anyone else on here that said that they thought in tongues?

Renee, you can believe what you want, and suggest I'm lying all you want. I know what I was posting and what I was referring to. The title of the thread is "Do you think in tongues." I was NOT referring to you. Again, if you want to be wrongly offended and say I was talking about you, bless your heart, go right ahead.

Originally Posted by renee819

“Think in tongues” was a quote from me. I don't see where anyone else said that.

Seriously? Why don't you look at the very first post and title of this thread. "Do you 'think in tongues'." It was Berkeley who first used the term, not you!

Originally Posted by renee819

What I see, is you backing down, so as not to ask for forgiveness for your, rude, hateful attitude.

I'm not backing down from anything, nor do I need to. My previous post showed that I was not referring to you, but was responding to Berkeley.

Originally Posted by renee819

Of course it was a request from Berkeley. He, like I probably sensed that you didn't know what you were talking about, when you said that 'people don't have control' meaning, that people don't have control of the spirit.

I know exactly what I was posting about, and the part in bold is NOT what I meant. I did NOT mean people don't have control of the spirit. That's absurd.

Originally Posted by renee819

We all know, at least all those that speak in tongues, that you don't have control of your tongue. If you did, it would not be Other Tongues, nor Unknown Tongues. But to teach that you don't have control of whether you speak out or speak to yourself (thinking in tongues) is exactly what Paul was teaching against, and has caused much confusion in the churches today, when everyone speaks in tongues at the same time. Or thru manipulation ends up in a shouting match causing a wild service, that many think is great.

However, if no one was healed. No one repented or received the Holy Ghost, then it was just an emotional high. And the reason???? The people have not been taught to control themselves, to speak one at a time, to interpret what is spoken. And if there is not an 'interpreter' to “speak to yourself (think in tongues) and to God.”

There you go again, off about something I wasn't even talking about. BTW, "speaking to yourself" is not "thinking in tongues." Unless you define "speaking" as a non-audible thought process.

Originally Posted by renee819

You sir, changed the subject, when you said that people didn't have control.

No. But go ahead and believe what you want, Renee.

I replied to the subject of the thread, not you. I can't help that you feel like any statement I made on the subject was directed at you. Not everything is about you, understand?

To avoid any confusion for you, here's what I'll do in the future, if I see a topic to post a reply to and you've already posted to the thread: I'll put a large disclaimer at the beginning of my post stating my response isn't directed at you. Unless, of course, I'm quoting you. This way I can post freely without you wrongly assuming that I must be posting about you.

Have a good day!

[renee819]

That's OK David. I don't hold grudges and God knows your heart better than I or even you. That settles nothing, but I guess some things can't be settled.

Hold on to God.

[n david]

Originally Posted by renee819

That's OK David. I don't hold grudges and God knows your heart better than I or even you. That settles nothing, but I guess some things can't be settled.

Hold on to God.

You're right, God does know my heart, you do not. You can continue to insinuate that I'm lying or that I wrote something else or meant something else, but that doesn't matter to me in the grand scheme of things. Both God and I know what I posted, why, and that it was not directed at you. Sometimes you just have to understand not everything is about you.