Originally Posted by renee819
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Jason wrote,........
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Then Jason what are you saying here?
“ We can know that we are saved if we believe that Jesus is the Son of God”---mental assent--+---- knowing that we are saved?
Jason wrote,
I'm talking about the 3 categories in
1 John. You cherry picked one of the three to make a point or perhaps simply misunderstood my point. John also teaches that true believers must pass the moral and social tests also. I laid out all 3 of these in the opening post. To ignore the essentiality of the other two categories is to miss my whole argument from 1 John.
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OK, then let's take all three, the only reason that I picked that one is because the other 2, are attributes of a saved person. But this one shows that the person is ready to repent and be born again and shouldn't be in with the other 2.
Jason wrote,
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1)We can know that we are saved if we believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the Messiah/Christ, that He came in the flesh, made atonement for our sins, and is God. These are the theological tests
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Obviously, if the person is told they are saved, because they believe Jesus is the Son of God,----then that is mental assent. However, they should believe all of No1, before they repent.
Jason wrote
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2)We can know that we are saved if we have love for fellow Christians (in the modern sense this would mean not only those of our own organization, that is in fact the opposite, a party spirit), love for all people, and genuine concern and compassion for those who are in need. In a word-if our lives are defined by love for others, it is a strong evidence that we belong to God. These are the social tests
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And yes,
LOVE, is one of the biggest Tests that reveals a true child of God. The Fruit of the Spirit, works with love. Faith will not work, without love.
But love can be an outward show that can be carried out in public, just for show for certain people, while hating others. You know like, that stupid race, or those stupid Republicans or stupid Democrats.
Love should be for all mankind, and especially the brothers and sisters, and yes that would be, those born again according to
Acts 2;38. And that is not a Party Spirit. That is demanded by God.
Jason wrote
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3)We can know that we are saved if we are trying to live Christ like lives, defined by holiness, godliness, righteousness, and a keeping of God's commandments. If our lives reflect Christ we can know that we are saved. These are the moral tests
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Absolutely! But then we can't turn around and preach, “we sin every day.' “you're just human, so don't worry about it” Or even worse, once saved always saved.
Not saying that you believe or teach any of that, but most that don't understand the power of the Holy Ghost to help keep us from sin, do say those things.
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