End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

So a woman can be over a congregation, and yet not exercise authority? If you answer in the affirmative, she can be over, obviously she cannot be over her husband. You are faced with a conundrum, she cannot be over her husband and yet can be over another woman's husband.

When it comes to preaching the word of God, who is in authority, the preacher, or the Word of God?

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

When it comes to preaching the word of God, who is in authority, the preacher, or the Word of God?

Both the preacher & The Word of God - which explicitly commands:


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner....I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church.


Put your erasers down - it will still mean exactly what is says after y'all are finished tampering with it !

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Both the preacher & The Word of God - which explicitly commands:


11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner....I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church.


Put your erasers down - it will still mean exactly what is says after y'all are finished tampering with it !

I'm sorry. I'm seeing a lot of blank space and missed the verse that says a man has authority over a congregation when speaking the Word of God.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

I'm sorry. I'm seeing a lot of blank space and missed the verse that says a man has authority over a congregation when speaking the Word of God.

Still can't adequately explain I Timothy 2:11-3:15 can ya' ?


I'm sorry, I'm seeing alot of blank space and missed the verse that says the preached word of God is not authoritative. But, since ya' asked, here's a lil' diddy fer ya':


Obey your leaders and submit to them (I know that stings your ultra-feminist agenda & paradigm ), for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.


For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.


Can ya' see the connection between obeying the preacher & the Word of God - lemme' guess - you don't see it eh' ?



Next?

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by rdp

Still can't adequately explain I Timothy 2:11-3:15 can ya' ?


I'm sorry, I'm seeing alot of blank space and missed the verse that says the preached word of God is not authoritative. But, since ya' asked, here's a lil' diddy fer ya':


Obey your leaders and submit to them (I know that stings your ultra-feminist agenda & paradigm ), for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.


For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.


Can ya' see the connection between obeying the preacher & the Word of God - lemme' guess - you don't see it eh' ?



Next?

Now, be careful what you post because you are going to have to backtrack now. Women were elders and leaders as well. I'm sure you are now going to show where Paul exempted men from obeying them, right?

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Now, be careful what you post because you are going to have to backtrack now. Women were elders and leaders as well. I'm sure you are now going to show where Paul exempted men from obeying them, right?

Show me one Biblical woman Elder and one Biblical qualifications for such.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Now, be careful what you post because you are going to have to backtrack now. Women were elders and leaders as well. I'm sure you are now going to show where Paul exempted men from obeying them, right?

LOL - Say WHAT??? Women "Elders" ?


You must a' found that in the book of I-Say-It ? Unless, you try the ol' Sarah canard from Heb. 11 (if you do - you will get embarrassed). Guess you gals just make things up as you go along !


Hilarious - Well, sad really.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

When it comes to preaching the word of God, who is in authority, the preacher, or the Word of God?

You cannot be serious? Both!!!

Try this one on, if you are implying only the Word is in authority. It is the Word that gives men authority, men like Paul...

2Co 10:8..  ..For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
2Co 10:9..  ..That I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters.
2Co 10:10..  ..For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.
2Co 10:11..  ..Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.

Men such as Timothy...

Tit 2:15..  ..These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

It is the Bible that forbids a woman to usurp authority...

1Tim 2:12..  ..But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

A woman could not both obey Titus 2:15 (obviously injunctions to the ministry was not written to women) and 1 Tim 2:12.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by RJR

You cannot be serious? Both!!!

Try this one on, if you are implying only the Word is in authority. It is the Word that gives men authority, men like Paul...

2Co 10:8..  ..For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:
2Co 10:9..  ..That I may not seem as if I would terrify you by letters.
2Co 10:10..  ..For his letters, say they, are weighty and powerful; but his bodily presence is weak, and his speech contemptible.
2Co 10:11..  ..Let such an one think this, that, such as we are in word by letters when we are absent, such will we be also in deed when we are present.

Men such as Timothy...

Tit 2:15..  ..These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

It is the Bible that forbids a woman to usurp authority...

1Tim 2:12..  ..But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

A woman could not both obey Titus 2:15 (obviously injunctions to the ministry was not written to women) and 1 Tim 2:12.

Ok, think about this. You are speaking about letters Paul was writing at the time. They were NOT part of any Bible. He was speaking personally about the authority he had over the churches as a whole. It has nothing to do with his preacher status. In fact, Paul rarely spoke in churches at all. He was always on the run. But don't copy his letters that were NOT Bible and claim as though they were. Paul never said nor insinuated that his authority was equal to God's Word.

[RJR]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Ok, think about this. You are speaking about letters Paul was writing at the time. They were NOT part of any Bible. He was speaking personally about the authority he had over the churches as a whole. It has nothing to do with his preacher status. In fact, Paul rarely spoke in churches at all. He was always on the run. But don't copy his letters that were NOT Bible and claim as though they were. Paul never said nor insinuated that his authority was equal to God's Word.

1Ti 5:17..  ..Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. (Not one Biblical qualification for a female Eldress)

1Th 5:12..  ..And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; 1Th 5:13..  ..And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

Heb 13:7..  ..Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Heb 13:17..  ..Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Tit 2:15..  ..These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

The one who rules in the home was also to likewise be over the church

1Ti 3:4..  ..One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5..  ..(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

I never said Paul insinuated his authority was equal to God's word (you are putting words into my mouth). God's calling and His Word is what gives a MAN of God his authority.