The reason the "born gay" idea started was for gay people to excuse themselves from sin, since they cannot help the way they are born. True, we're all born in sin, anyway, and we can do something about that by being born again. But the reason I say no one is born gay is because no one would think anybody was unless they sought an excuse as I described. ...in my opinion.
Yes, I'm sure that was it. Not that no matter how hard they try, they can't feel physical attraction or arousal from the opposite gender, even though they think they'll end up in hell if they don't. No, it must be just and excuse from sin. Yes, you nailed it.
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Yes, I'm sure that was it. Not that no matter how hard they try, they can't feel physical attraction or arousal from the opposite gender, even though they think they'll end up in hell if they don't. No, it must be just and excuse from sin. Yes, you nailed it.
Still bitter? lol
I'm sure your sarcasm betrays the correct attitude we should all have as believers. The mockery of God and the bible you portray is really the way we should all go, right? You know, satan is a myth and Jesus was wrong as the day is long, and the bible is nonsense, right? Yep, anything you say, bro!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I'm sure your sarcasm betrays the correct attitude we should all have as believers. The mockery of God and the bible you portray is really the way we should all go, right? You know, satan is a myth and Jesus was wrong as the day is long, and the bible is nonsense, right? Yep, anything you say, bro!
What you posted was wrong. Simple as that. Argue with my son, if you like: his testimony contradicts your baseless claim. He begged God to make him straight. When God didn't do that, it led to depression. He thought about killing himself every single day. Yeah, you tell him he is just making an excuse for sin.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
The reason the "born gay" idea started was for gay people to excuse themselves from sin, since they cannot help the way they are born. True, we're all born in sin, anyway, and we can do something about that by being born again. But the reason I say no one is born gay is because no one would think anybody was unless they sought an excuse as I described. ...in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Timmy
What you posted was wrong. Simple as that. Argue with my son, if you like: his testimony contradicts your baseless claim. He begged God to make him straight. When God didn't do that, it led to depression. He thought about killing himself every single day. Yeah, you tell him he is just making an excuse for sin.
I was sent a link to this and it hurts enough to break my almost four year silence.
Mike, you're not just wrong, you're being a complete, heartless, arrogant jerk about it. "Born gay" created as an excuse for sin? That is the most flabbergasting, moronic, head-stuck-in-the-sand statement I've ever seen. Do you still insist the earth is flat and the sun rotates around the earth?
Most people that are gay show evidence of it by age 3. Brain MRI's show differences. There are chromosome differences. I've identified gay children before they were in kindergarten and watched them eventually "come out." It's not rocket science, not excuses, it's simple observation and science.
I know I'm not going to change your arrogant, self-centered mind about this, but I am going to stand up for someone like Tim's son, whom I know, have spent time with, and who is a caring, kind, compassionate, gentle, understanding soul, possessing all the characteristics of Jesus that you don't. I can say the same thing about Tim.
The thought that Tim's son has had to endure years of sorrow, suicidal desires, and spiritual torture, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU, makes my heart hurt and makes me RUN from any kind of religion that is populated by your kind.
And it's not just Tim's son, it's hundreds of thousands.....millions of wonderful people.
Do you realize that around the world, EVERY DAY, an average of FIFTY gay teens take their lives???? And you know why? Because of religious people like you.
There's blood on your hands.
If you don't believe that homosexuality is pleasing to God, fine, whatever. But stop being an idiot about it. Stop the insanity.
I was sent a link to this and it hurts enough to break my almost four year silence.
Mike, you're not just wrong, you're being a complete, heartless, arrogant jerk about it. "Born gay" created as an excuse for sin? That is the most flabbergasting, moronic, head-stuck-in-the-sand statement I've ever seen. Do you still insist the earth is flat and the sun rotates around the earth?
Most people that are gay show evidence of it by age 3. Brain MRI's show differences. There are chromosome differences. I've identified gay children before they were in kindergarten and watched them eventually "come out." It's not rocket science, not excuses, it's simple observation and science.
I know I'm not going to change your arrogant, self-centered mind about this, but I am going to stand up for someone like Tim's son, whom I know, have spent time with, and who is a caring, kind, compassionate, gentle, understanding soul, possessing all the characteristics of Jesus that you don't. I can say the same thing about Tim.
The thought that Tim's son has had to endure years of sorrow, suicidal desires, and spiritual torture, BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU, makes my heart hurt and makes me RUN from any kind of religion that is populated by your kind.
And it's not just Tim's son, it's hundreds of thousands.....millions of wonderful people.
Do you realize that around the world, EVERY DAY, an average of FIFTY gay teens take their lives???? And you know why? Because of religious people like you.
There's blood on your hands.
If you don't believe that homosexuality is pleasing to God, fine, whatever. But stop being an idiot about it. Stop the insanity.
This so called "scientific proof" you speak of sure is taking a long time to be verified. Man made global warming is also declared to be "fact" with no proof offered. Darwin's claims are offered as "fact" with no proof. So now we have this "scientific proof" that gays' brains are different. If it was real proof, it would be on the news night and day and in every medical textbook. It is not ,however.
What you posted was wrong. Simple as that. Argue with my son, if you like: his testimony contradicts your baseless claim. He begged God to make him straight. When God didn't do that, it led to depression. He thought about killing himself every single day. Yeah, you tell him he is just making an excuse for sin.
I guess there's no way we could have missed something in how we pray or how it shoudl be dealt with. Deliverance, or prayer, or fasting. Nah, we could nto miss anhything. God must have, eh? Not.
In no way am I belittling your son. It's not personal. It's just that we think we exhausted all the areas, when we simply asked amiss. All I know is that I saw people delivered, which required more than just a prayer. There's more to seeing God's will accomplished than prayer, you know.
I guess it requires faith to realize we simply don't have all the answers, and we just cannot know everything just because we think we can. Faith also implies there may be more than what we know and understand, and that it's not the Bible or God that is wrong, but us . We're not ones whom the universe cannot contain, you know. You do know that, right?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I guess there's no way we could have missed something in how we pray or how it shoudl be dealt with. Deliverance, or prayer, or fasting. Nah, we could nto miss anhything. God must have, eh? Not.
In no way am I belittling your son. It's not personal. It's just that we think we exhausted all the areas, when we simply asked amiss. All I know is that I saw people delivered, which required more than just a prayer. There's more to seeing God's will accomplished than prayer, you know.
I guess it requires faith to realize we simply don't have all the answers, and we just cannot know everything just because we think we can. Faith also implies there may be more than what we know and understand, and that it's not the Bible or God that is wrong, but us . We're not ones whom the universe cannot contain, you know. You do know that, right?
You are not belittling my son. You are merely claiming that he is making excuses to sin. You are merely saying he asked amiss.
So, if he never repents and does whatever else you think he has to do to be saved, will he deserve to burn in hell?
Please answer this question. Not something I didn't ask. Don't explain how he can avoid burning in hell. Don't avoid it. Don't hem and haw. Just answer it. Please.
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You are not belittling my son. You are merely claiming that he is making excuses to sin. You are merely saying he asked amiss.
So, if he never repents and does whatever else you think he has to do to be saved, will he deserve to burn in hell?
Please answer this question. Not something I didn't ask. Don't explain how he can avoid burning in hell. Don't avoid it. Don't hem and haw. Just answer it. Please.
Here are a few more questions that I'm not asking:
Do we all deserve hell?
Do people choose to go to hell?
Was hell originally intended for humans?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Here are a few more questions that I'm not asking:
Do we all deserve hell?
Do people choose to go to hell?
Was hell originally intended for humans?
GOOD NEWS!
God has now changed his mind, he will now allow everyone into heaven, no matter what they have done.
Hell has been closed, it will be soon demolished.
Hooray
God will personally receive Timmy's son and will apologize for any hard times he has suffered.
God says that he is sorry he has caused so much trouble and we can now disregard the Bible, never mind what it says. God has decreed the Bible outdated as of right now.
BE HAPPY!
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