Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I'm not full pret, but the picture is Jews and Gentiles dwelling together. Wolf (unclean) and Lamb (clean). Notice the creatures paired up.... clean and unclean. And children playing with asps shows a time of peace in the hearts of people saved.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Zion and the house of the Lord to which nations go -- the highest of mountains -- speaks of kingdoms (mountains). The kingdom of God in the church. Heavenly Zion, where Christ is seated at the throne. Psalm 110:1. Eph 1:20.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The lion (destroyer) is eating straw like an ox (laborer) muzzle not the ox which treads the grain. The lamb lies down with the wolf, unclean with clean, but both having a nature change. That is the effect of the Gospel in the life of a believer.

Originally Posted by shazeep

you're worse than Sean!
i like this though

And Sean keeps saying we don't answer his questions! And has again filled 9 pages with repeated scripture.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

And Sean keeps saying we don't answer his questions! And has again filled 9 pages with repeated scripture.

And not ONE of you has answered a SINGLE question Loren.

All I get is more questions from preterists, as "answers" to my question.


Is there not a single preterist on AFF to explain this passage?...

Micah 4

4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.



The closest thing to an answer I could get, is shazeep saying verse 5 is the explanation.

I think you preterists are really trying to hide your answer from me.

You guys have explained this passage, preterist style, in sealed rooms, long enough.

I only ask for a decent explanation to ALL 3 verses, concluding in verse 3.

You guys have said this passage is PAST prophecy, and was already fulfilled...Then prove it, by explaining it.

Unless you guys are sissy's.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

And not ONE of you has answered a SINGLE question Loren.

All I get is more questions from preterists, as "answers" to my question.


Is there not a single preterist on AFF to explain this passage?...

Micah 4

4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.



The closest thing to an answer I could get, is shazeep saying verse 5 is the explanation.

I think you preterists are really trying to hide your answer from me.

You guys have explained this passage, preterist style, in sealed rooms, long enough.

I only ask for a decent explanation to ALL 3 verses, concluding in verse 3.

You guys have said this passage is PAST prophecy, and was already fulfilled...Then prove it, by explaining it.

Unless you guys are sissy's.

These 3, Mike.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

And not ONE of you has answered a SINGLE question Loren.

All I get is more questions from preterists, as "answers" to my question.


Is there not a single preterist on AFF to explain this passage?...

Micah 4

4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.



The closest thing to an answer I could get, is shazeep saying verse 5 is the explanation.

I think you preterists are really trying to hide your answer from me.

You guys have explained this passage, preterist style, in sealed rooms, long enough.

I only ask for a decent explanation to ALL 3 verses, concluding in verse 3.

You guys have said this passage is PAST prophecy, and was already fulfilled...Then prove it, by explaining it.

Unless you guys are sissy's.

It appears that you are still looking for proof, and facts, and wanting to pin this prophecy to a certain time period; but you are willing to ignore that prophecy is usually reflected in more than one time and place, and that verse 5, which you of course choose to omit, firmly debunks a futurist pov here--i don't get it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

It appears that you are still looking for proof, and facts, and wanting to pin this prophecy to a certain time period; but you are willing to ignore that prophecy is usually reflected in more than one time and place, and that verse 5, which you of course choose to omit, firmly debunks a futurist pov here--i don't get it.

Please elaborate....


Micah 4King James Version (KJV)

4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.


???





Shazeep, are you somehow thinking that sin or false concepts of God will not be accessible during the Millennium?

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Shazeep, this is why the Lord Jesus will need to rule sinners with a rod of iron.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Sean

Please elaborate....


Micah 4King James Version (KJV)

4 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.

5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.


???





Shazeep, are you somehow thinking that sin or false concepts of God will not be accessible during the Millennium?

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Shazeep, this is why the Lord Jesus will need to rule sinners with a rod of iron.

i would say that this actually further verifies that this was fulfilled in the dispensation of Law, as penalties are being given for breaking the Law. Now, i honestly doubt any of us have truly caught up to Grace yet, but what you are suggesting is a return to Law. Do you keep the Feast of Tabernacles? Do you realize the implications? Are you going to make animal sacrifices?

Because you are not alone in this belief--there are people who believe exactly what you are espousing; they are Zionists. "Jews look for miracles." I note that earlier you denied being a Zionist, but then immediately returned to forwarding that pov.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i would say that this actually further verifies that this was fulfilled in the dispensation of Law, as penalties are being given for breaking the Law. Now, i honestly doubt any of us have truly caught up to Grace yet, but what you are suggesting is a return to Law. Do you keep the Feast of Tabernacles? Do you realize the implications? Are you going to make animal sacrifices?

Because you are not alone in this belief--there are people who believe exactly what you are espousing; they are Zionists. "Jews look for miracles." I note that earlier you denied being a Zionist, but then immediately returned to forwarding that pov.

The dispensation of Law did not end for all mankind.

It only ended for born again saints.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

And Sean keeps saying we don't answer his questions! And has again filled 9 pages with repeated scripture.

Selective blindness.