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Originally Posted by mfblume
What does the cross play in your theology if you think a muslim can be saved without faith it even took place? THIS is the whole issue with you, Shazeep.
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but i never said that a Muslim could be saved, Mike; i just stated that you cannot know, and prolly don't know what "salvation" is anyway. Sure, you have some concept of it, and some works you require--because works is what they are--before you might call someone "saved," but that does not mean that God waits for a sinner to find an OP church and go through the mechanics before He judges their heart. And what is faith? Same thing. We have a conception of it, but it is different for everyone; i know OPs praying faithfully for Christ to be with them through their chemotherapy, arg. Of course i am too chicken to laugh, or even speak, when the group is asked to agree "in faith" for things like this.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Whether a work is done out of love or done for fear of going to hell otherwise, it's still salvation by works. And THAT exalts self.
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funny that the process of OP salvation may be described by the 2nd one though, huh? and to make the first one true, you sure have to ignore a lot of Scripture that indicates otherwise.
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