Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Barb

My brother is UPCI affiliated, and pastors in Illinois. I would consider him moderately conservative.

Here is a test;

1. Does he wear or allow people to wear short sleeves?
2. Does he preach against video of all sorts including home videos?
3. Does he not believe in video screens in the church for song lyrics and or image magnification?
4. Does he prohibit his young people from UPC events because he fears they will be corrupted by those with a lesser standard?

If he doesn't pass that test then he is just a moderate! (within the Oneness Pentecostal world anyway. For everybody else he would be very conservative anyway)

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by CC1

Here is a test;

1. Does he wear or allow people to wear short sleeves?
2. Does he preach against video of all sorts including home videos?
3. Does he not believe in video screens in the church for song lyrics and or image magnification?
4. Does he prohibit his young people from UPC events because he fears they will be corrupted by those with a lesser standard?

If he doesn't pass that test then he is just a moderate! (within the Oneness Pentecostal world anyway. For everybody else he would be very conservative anyway)

CC - most WPF churches "allow" 1, 2, & 3 now. As for #4, most I can say that for a time we stopped going to UPC youth events, due to some issues. And if you look at who the national leaders of the youth were at that time and where they are now, the uneasiness that we felt was God driven.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

CC - most WPF churches "allow" 1, 2, & 3 now. As for #4, most I can say that for a time we stopped going to UPC youth events, due to some issues. And if you look at who the national leaders of the youth were at that time and where they are now, the uneasiness that we felt was God driven.

Which is hilarious because they used the TV vote as their reason to hit the eject button.

Then they turned around and started live streaming some services.

NW is not ultra conservative by any means. Floyd Odom was and is but not the present chairman. How they ever put him in is beyond me. Conservative not, political yes.

Then you go to youtube and pull up their special services, how can they take a zero stand against TV when they have live streaming and video?

Confusing.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Which is hilarious because they used the TV vote as their reason to hit the eject button.

Then they turned around and started live streaming some services.

NW is not ultra conservative by any means. Floyd Odom was and is but not the present chairman. How they ever put him in is beyond me. Conservative not, political yes.

Then you go to youtube and pull up their special services, how can they take a zero stand against TV when they have live streaming and video?

Confusing.

They do take a stand against television and Hollywood type entertainment.. and to be commended for that at least. The current chairman is more conservative the majority of the UPCI, IMO.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Which is hilarious because they used the TV vote as their reason to hit the eject button.

Then they turned around and started live streaming some services.

NW is not ultra conservative by any means. Floyd Odom was and is but not the present chairman. How they ever put him in is beyond me. Conservative not, political yes.

Then you go to youtube and pull up their special services, how can they take a zero stand against TV when they have live streaming and video?

Confusing.

It wasn't so much the TV vote as it was the spirit behind it.
I do not know if I can totally explain it, but the TV issue had been soundly rejected 1-2 years before and now was up for vote again?
Why?
Also, many of the major voices behind the TV issue have now left the UPC and moved on to "greener" pastures.
So, they obviously had bigger issues than with the stand on TV.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

CC - most WPF churches "allow" 1, 2, & 3 now. As for #4, most I can say that for a time we stopped going to UPC youth events, due to some issues. And if you look at who the national leaders of the youth were at that time and where they are now, the uneasiness that we felt was God driven.

Much to my disappointment. I think the WPF as a fellowship is not as strong today as it originally set out to be. Still good men nonetheless.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by CC1

Here is a test;

1. Does he wear or allow people to wear short sleeves?
2. Does he preach against video of all sorts including home videos?
3. Does he not believe in video screens in the church for song lyrics and or image magnification?
4. Does he prohibit his young people from UPC events because he fears they will be corrupted by those with a lesser standard?

If he doesn't pass that test then he is just a moderate! (within the Oneness Pentecostal world anyway. For everybody else he would be very conservative anyway)

This is, of course, the gospel according to CC1... lol

Please tell me because I am curious, why can't someone observe moderation in all things, and be conservative?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Barb

This is, of course, the gospel according to CC1... lol

Please tell me because I am curious, why can't someone observe moderation in all things, and be conservative?

2 of the four is no problem to me? Not labeled myself as an ultra con but been labeled that?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

2 of the four is no problem to me? Not labeled myself as an ultra con but been labeled that?

Brother Epley though I am not a minister with any oneness group I have also been labeled an ultra con on many occasions.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Luke

Brother Epley though I am not a minister with any oneness group I have also been labeled an ultra con on many occasions.

What? Why?