Any UPC Ultra Cons Still Around

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Which is hilarious because they used the TV vote as their reason to hit the eject button.

Then they turned around and started live streaming some services.

NW is not ultra conservative by any means. Floyd Odom was and is but not the present chairman. How they ever put him in is beyond me. Conservative not, political yes.

Then you go to youtube and pull up their special services, how can they take a zero stand against TV when they have live streaming and video?

Confusing.

It wasn't so much the TV vote as it was the spirit behind it.
I do not know if I can totally explain it, but the TV issue had been soundly rejected 1-2 years before and now was up for vote again?
Why?
Also, many of the major voices behind the TV issue have now left the UPC and moved on to "greener" pastures.
So, they obviously had bigger issues than with the stand on TV.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

By no means. But here's the kicker: Anyone can presume anything about their calling and authority, even if such presumptions are not true. Doesn't stop them from saying things they shouldn't say, or doing things they shouldn't do. Nor does it stop anyone from buying into the presumptions, as offered to everyone else.

The Ephesians put to the test those who said they were apostles, and Christ commended them for it. I know someone who thinks he is called to be an apostle and prophet, but has no signs, wonders, or diverse miracles backing him up to cause anyone with any real knowledge of Holy Scripture to think of him as such. His understanding of the Word is biased and in some places flimsy, yet it doesn't stop him from playing the "God told me" card. And he certainly won't submit to being tested by a local assembly.

So, my point in my previous post is this: The kingdom of God is not in word, but in power. Paul dealt with a lot of talkers, especially by the Corinthians. And by dealing with them, I mean to say, he went straight to Corinth to see their display of power.

Without a display of Holy Spirit power, no one is qualified to enforce anything, regardless of what they say, or how they claim otherwise. The power of God comes with Apostolic and Prophetic calling. Until the power is demonstrated, no one can accurately claim to be either, therefore, they have no right to be the enforcer of anything, as the foundation of the church is not built upon them, but upon others.

1. How would this test be performed today?

2. Have you or anyone you know ever performed this test? How'd it turn out?

3. Have you or anyone you know been given this test by another? How'd it turn out?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by CC1

Here is a test;

1. Does he wear or allow people to wear short sleeves?
2. Does he preach against video of all sorts including home videos?
3. Does he not believe in video screens in the church for song lyrics and or image magnification?
4. Does he prohibit his young people from UPC events because he fears they will be corrupted by those with a lesser standard?

If he doesn't pass that test then he is just a moderate! (within the Oneness Pentecostal world anyway. For everybody else he would be very conservative anyway)

This is, of course, the gospel according to CC1... lol

Please tell me because I am curious, why can't someone observe moderation in all things, and be conservative?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Barb

This is, of course, the gospel according to CC1... lol

Please tell me because I am curious, why can't someone observe moderation in all things, and be conservative?

2 of the four is no problem to me? Not labeled myself as an ultra con but been labeled that?

[Fionn mac Cumh]

The fact that standards differ from church to church proves how unbiblical they are. We all agree on GODhead and salvation but differ on how to dress ect...

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

2 of the four is no problem to me? Not labeled myself as an ultra con but been labeled that?

Brother Epley though I am not a minister with any oneness group I have also been labeled an ultra con on many occasions.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

1. How would this test be performed today?

2. Have you or anyone you know ever performed this test? How'd it turn out?

3. Have you or anyone you know been given this test by another? How'd it turn out?

New Thread:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...44#post1421844

[houston]

Originally Posted by Luke

Brother Epley though I am not a minister with any oneness group I have also been labeled an ultra con on many occasions.

What? Why?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

The fact that standards differ from church to church proves how unbiblical they are. We all agree on GODhead and salvation but differ on how to dress ect...

fmc - have to disagree. Paul addressed different issues with different churches. I have been in several different churches and some fight battles that others have no problems with.
Thus, different approaches based on what you are dealing with is necessary.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by houston

What? Why?

Why am I not a minister with a oneness group or why have I been labeled an ultra con?