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Originally Posted by mfblume
It's not a matter of anyone saying people are lost in some arrogant manner, but simply believing the bible for what it says. And to believe one needn't even believe the cross took place and maintain a possibility such an one is saved is not believing the bible, period. You're in the wrong book with that concept. Words have lost all meaning.
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well, this is your opinion, but you stumble at other Scripture in order to make it true. We don't really have a very good grasp of "saved" or "lost" anyway, do we, if we confidently assure people of their salvation after ten minutes at the altar, as long as they adopt our lexicon.
If you want to simply believe what the Bible says, why evince shock and dismay at Scripture that is more profound, and inclusive, than your later Pauline quotes? This "simply believe what the Bible says" always means "let me interpret the Bible for you," as we all see that the Bible is not as definitive as many might have it be; it is meant to divide. When i hear some neo say that the Bible has no contradictions, i just laugh, quietly. It is a Book of contradictions. I could show that you are lost the same way, which would only reveal the state of my heart, not yours.
Also please note that i never said anyone was saved, either. What i said was that anyone who believes that they can disqualify anyone else from salvation based upon their stated beliefs has fallen into a trap, and revealed their heart. Their little child has gone missing.
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