Do you think Revelations is enigmatic?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus is your Wonderful Counselor. He is your first go to. However, sometimes He chooses not to act, only to humble us to turn to another through which He will work. So, if you've prayed a thousand times, wept in the night, watched relationships suffer, your health deteriorate, or contemplated suicide, seek help, allow Jesus opportunity to work through a professional, there's no shame in this.

This isn't what we are taught, we are encouraged to go forward. Contemplate suicide, but have a PROFESSIONAL place you on antidepressants which side effects are a living hell. People who no longer believe in the power of the Holy Ghost. Deliverance services? I asked exactly what they looked like to Aquila, who was restored if any? No comment? Jesus doesn't need Freud to heal you, or Bayer to heal you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Oh, by the way Proverbs 11:14 has nothing to do with psychologists, or any form of psychotherapy.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

This isn't what we are taught, we are encouraged to go forward. Contemplate suicide, but have a PROFESSIONAL place you on antidepressants which side effects are a living hell. People who no longer believe in the power of the Holy Ghost. Deliverance services? I asked exactly what they looked like to Aquila, who was restored if any? No comment? Jesus doesn't need Freud to heal you, or Bayer to heal you.

NOTE TO THE READER:

Notice, the poster above implies that if you need professional help or medication, you must not believe in the Holy Ghost. He even implies that if you need Bayer to manage pain, your not Christian enough.

That's spiritual abuse.

Of course God doesn't NEED these things. But, He often chooses to work through doctors, counselors, therapies, and medications. I'll agree with the poster as far as saying one should pray about seeking a professional, and any medication, should any be suggested.

I looked to a pastoral counselor who was a Nazarene. He had much respect for my religious convictions and beliefs. Quite often, he would share advice by referencing the Bible as food for thought and contemplation. He never advised medication. He discussed how we are fearfully and wonderfully made, and got deep into how our brains work and what PTSD is. Then he discussed how certain exercises can effect the brain. After this, he introduced me to EMDR therapy. I can't tell you how much this has helped me. I'm not out of the woods yet. But my episodes are fewer, and most of the time they aren't as intense. This past Fourth of July was a particularly rough episode. But this is probably because I buried my father, a Vietnam veteran who was rather abusive and never sought help, this past January. The fireworks, my military past, my childhood abuse, my grief. A perfect storm. Some important unresolved issues came to the surface. And I thank God for good counseling. And for EMDR therapy.

Don't listen to the posters scare tactics. Perhaps Jesus is using me to reassure a reader who is struggling and who needs to allow Jesus to work through a good therapist to bring relief if supernatural healing has yet to manifest.

Here's a video on EMDR therapy. Be encouraged. There is help out there, and they don't always involve drugs or medication. Many therapies are based on the natural functions of your brain. When you understand how it works, you realize that the brain is like a tool, an instrument. Learning how it works and how to use it to reprocess trauma will be a blessing.

I pray that you have peace and be in good health.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

NOTE TO THE READER:

Notice, the poster above implies that if you need professional help or medication, you must not believe in the Holy Ghost. He even implies that if you need Bayer to manage pain, your not Christian enough.

Chris, this is all about you, your personal thoughts and feelings concerning Christianity. People need to read what you posted in the More on Skirts thread concerning your thoughts on Christianity. You weren't posting about one 4th of July? Again, you posted that your PTSD wasn't actually from the military but being raised in an Ohio hood? I was raised in the South Bronx New York. Holy Ghost infilling took care of everything I needed. Jesus + repentance, and turning over our human will = overcoming power in Christ.

Originally Posted by Aquila

That's spiritual abuse.

Zoloft, Ativan, Prozac, and Lexapro is abuse.

Burns out brains like a blow torch.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Of course God doesn't NEED these things.

More legalism Aquila? You just can't shake it. You see you have to say the above, it is part of the mantra, it is part of your costume of Churchanity. Of course God can BUT. But, is the sledgehammer that busts it all to smithereens. Jesus can heal, but. Jesus can save, but, Jesus can deliver, but??? You put your boot right through the windshield called faith. The mind of Christ isn't like a gear in a car? But you would medicate the mind of Christ with strong mind altering medications? Tell me Aquila do you now have someone in your family who is a pharmacist, and scientist, a brain doctor?

No faith? So, you have to reach out an steady the ark? We know how that works out.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But, He often chooses to work through doctors, counselors, therapies, and medications.

Aquila, where? Where did Jesus tell anyone to seek strong mind medication?

What was the strongest meds you have taken? What did your medication do for you? Why aren't you 100% Because they never are 100% They are NEVER healed, they are suffering with medication cage. Aquila they need Jesus Christ's power, not Sigmund Freud's hell on earth. You know what? You don't sound like someone who has dealt in these areas before. How many people have you helped to seek deliverance from the living hell of mind medications. How long does it take someone to be "regulated" with their particular meds?

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'll agree with the poster as far as saying one should pray about seeking a professional, and any medication, should any be suggested.

You must be talking about someone else, show me where in God's name I said that you should pray about seeking a psychiatrist? Anyone who knows me, and read what you posted, would call you a liar. Aquila, please show where I said you should pray about taking medication. It's not an option, ever. Going to some psychiatrist is never an option, we have NO teaching in scripture where it says we should take mind altering drugs and have someone to talk to manically about our trip.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I looked to a pastoral counselor who was a Nazarene.

Good God from Zion! What does that mean? He could of been any denomination, bro he could of been U P of C, and he is still a flake.
If he doesn't encourage you towards Christ and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with power. He is just the same if he was a secular headshrinker. Bro, they both use mental voodoo to lead you away from the power of the Cross. Hanging at the end of a rope by the knot? Doesn't look like the Nazarene Headshrinker got it done. So, how on earth is this going to be help for anyone else? It didn't help you.

Originally Posted by Aquila

He had much respect for my religious convictions and beliefs.

Oooh wow, who cares. Seriously who cares, he is just doing a job bro. He doesn't want to Bible study you, he may not even actually believe God is a God who intervenes enough to recreate your mind to the mind of Christ. He may only believe in Carl Jung, and Freud. He is a listener and a clock watcher, you drama, he listens, he watches the clock, and says a few sentences which aren't judgemental. You leave as botched up as you walked in. You then grab a bottle of Scotch and pray over your cigarettes. What has changed? Old things haven't passed away, lions still eat lambs, and wolves tear up kids. Wow, what a salvation, what freedom to live in a chemical hell.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Quite often, he would share advice by referencing the Bible as food for thought and contemplation.

Shock and awe! Because he is a legalist, and that is what he must do legally, it is part of the Churchanity halo he plugs in when you walk in. It is all part of the religious dog and pony show. Holy Ghost? Did he encourage you to pray through? Did he ask you to pray with him, or he would pray with you until you both flowed through the river of power? No, it was all Sunday school greul, wet soggy, and filled with children stories. No meat, just bread and water. You left just like you came. Still lacking, still wanting, still unfulfilled, still empty. Oh, you had a fix for about a few hours, but the minute the earth started to move under your feet, you find you are on sinking sand, instead of the solid rock of Christ.

Originally Posted by Aquila

He never advised medication.

He probably was a psychologist who cannot prescribe medication. Because they are not required to go to medical school. Therefore they cannot prescribe meds. That is a job for the psychiatrist, he suits you up in the never ending maze of treatment. Aquila, you are heading down a super bad highway. You need to lower the ego, and find the Jesus.

Originally Posted by Aquila

He discussed how we are fearfully and wonderfully made, and got deep into how our brains work and what PTSD is.

How fearfully and wonderfully made by God, so in the world called logic, you go back to the manufacturer. Cars don't fix cars, tools don't fix tools, only Jesus Christ can fix us by us following Him through His mind, not some psychologist's mind.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Then he discussed how certain exercises can effect the brain. After this, he introduced me to EMDR therapy. I can't tell you how much this has helped me. I'm not out of the woods yet.

Bro, you don't get out of the woods. That isn't what psychotherapies about. You maintain, you learn to do everything through chemical and human disciplines. It is all about you learning to control you, not about Jesus Christ controlling anything. Jesus is reduced to some far away deity, or higher power. Out of the woods? No boy, the woods are a maze and the wolves chase you back into the thick. Only the power of all mighty God in Christ can help you. Not some psychotherapeutic kung fu.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But my episodes are fewer, and most of the time they aren't as intense. This past Fourth of July was a particularly rough episode. But this is probably because I buried my father, a Vietnam veteran who was rather abusive and never sought help, this past January. The fireworks, my military past, my childhood abuse, my grief. A perfect storm. Some important unresolved issues came to the surface. And I thank God for good counseling. And for EMDR therapy.

Give it all to Jesus, I mean the real Jesus, not the iconical Jesus.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Don't listen to the posters scare tactics. Perhaps Jesus is using me to reassure a reader who is struggling and who needs to allow Jesus to work through a good therapist to bring relief if supernatural healing has yet to manifest.

Don't you dare say that Jesus Christ is using you to assure anyone to go through the hell of psychotropics. Scare tactics that was what your video was about Hoss. Theatrics and void of life giving water of the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here's a video on EMDR therapy. Be encouraged. There is help out there, and they don't always involve drugs or medication. Many therapies are based on the natural functions of your brain. When you understand how it works, you realize that the brain is like a tool, an instrument. Learning how it works and how to use it to reprocess trauma will be a blessing.

I pray that you have peace and be in good health.

No Christ, no Cross, no hope.

Just man trying to fix man.

Sad.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris, this is all about you, your personal thoughts and feelings concerning Christianity. People need to read what you posted in the More on Skirts thread concerning your thoughts on Christianity. You weren't posting about one 4th of July? Again, you posted that your PTSD wasn't actually from the military but being raised in an Ohio hood? I was raised in the South Bronx New York. Holy Ghost infilling took care of everything I needed. Jesus + repentance, and turning over our human will = overcoming power in Christ.



Zoloft, Ativan, Prozac, and Lexapro is abuse.

Burns out brains like a blow torch.



More legalism Aquila? You just can't shake it. You see you have to say the above, it is part of the mantra, it is part of your costume of Churchanity. Of course God can BUT. But, is the sledgehammer that busts it all to smithereens. Jesus can heal, but. Jesus can save, but, Jesus can deliver, but??? You put your boot right through the windshield called faith. The mind of Christ isn't like a gear in a car? But you would medicate the mind of Christ with strong mind altering medications? Tell me Aquila do you now have someone in your family who is a pharmacist, and scientist, a brain doctor?

No faith? So, you have to reach out an steady the ark? We know how that works out.



Aquila, where? Where did Jesus tell anyone to seek strong mind medication?

What was the strongest meds you have taken? What did your medication do for you? Why aren't you 100% Because they never are 100% They are NEVER healed, they are suffering with medication cage. Aquila they need Jesus Christ's power, not Sigmund Freud's hell on earth. You know what? You don't sound like someone who has dealt in these areas before. How many people have you helped to seek deliverance from the living hell of mind medications. How long does it take someone to be "regulated" with their particular meds?



You must be talking about someone else, show me where in God's name I said that you should pray about seeking a psychiatrist? Anyone who knows me, and read what you posted, would call you a liar. Aquila, please show where I said you should pray about taking medication. It's not an option, ever. Going to some psychiatrist is never an option, we have NO teaching in scripture where it says we should take mind altering drugs and have someone to talk to manically about our trip.



Good God from Zion! What does that mean? He could of been any denomination, bro he could of been U P of C, and he is still a flake.
If he doesn't encourage you towards Christ and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with power. He is just the same if he was a secular headshrinker. Bro, they both use mental voodoo to lead you away from the power of the Cross. Hanging at the end of a rope by the knot? Doesn't look like the Nazarene Headshrinker got it done. So, how on earth is this going to be help for anyone else? It didn't help you.




Oooh wow, who cares. Seriously who cares, he is just doing a job bro. He doesn't want to Bible study you, he may not even actually believe God is a God who intervenes enough to recreate your mind to the mind of Christ. He may only believe in Carl Jung, and Freud. He is a listener and a clock watcher, you drama, he listens, he watches the clock, and says a few sentences which aren't judgemental. You leave as botched up as you walked in. You then grab a bottle of Scotch and pray over your cigarettes. What has changed? Old things haven't passed away, lions still eat lambs, and wolves tear up kids. Wow, what a salvation, what freedom to live in a chemical hell.




Shock and awe! Because he is a legalist, and that is what he must do legally, it is part of the Churchanity halo he plugs in when you walk in. It is all part of the religious dog and pony show. Holy Ghost? Did he encourage you to pray through? Did he ask you to pray with him, or he would pray with you until you both flowed through the river of power? No, it was all Sunday school greul, wet soggy, and filled with children stories. No meat, just bread and water. You left just like you came. Still lacking, still wanting, still unfulfilled, still empty. Oh, you had a fix for about a few hours, but the minute the earth started to move under your feet, you find you are on sinking sand, instead of the solid rock of Christ.



He probably was a psychologist who cannot prescribe medication. Because they are not required to go to medical school. Therefore they cannot prescribe meds. That is a job for the psychiatrist, he suits you up in the never ending maze of treatment. Aquila, you are heading down a super bad highway. You need to lower the ego, and find the Jesus.



How fearfully and wonderfully made by God, so in the world called logic, you go back to the manufacturer. Cars don't fix cars, tools don't fix tools, only Jesus Christ can fix us by us following Him through His mind, not some psychologist's mind.



Bro, you don't get out of the woods. That isn't what psychotherapies about. You maintain, you learn to do everything through chemical and human disciplines. It is all about you learning to control you, not about Jesus Christ controlling anything. Jesus is reduced to some far away deity, or higher power. Out of the woods? No boy, the woods are a maze and the wolves chase you back into the thick. Only the power of all mighty God in Christ can help you. Not some psychotherapeutic kung fu.




Give it all to Jesus, I mean the real Jesus, not the iconical Jesus.




Don't you dare say that Jesus Christ is using you to assure anyone to go through the hell of psychotropics. Scare tactics that was what your video was about Hoss. Theatrics and void of life giving water of the Holy Ghost.




No Christ, no Cross, no hope.

Just man trying to fix man.

Sad.

This isn't about salvation. This is about coping with trauma. Jesus doesn't take your memories. Salvation doesn't automatically rewire the brain anymore than it automatically sends cancer into remission. Would you berate, brow beat, and belittle a saint who continues chemo? You're being a willfully ignorant and clueless abuser.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This isn't about salvation. This is about coping with trauma.

Bro, I must of been in the company of a way different class of Apostolic men and women. Because none of them ever paraded their bloody corpses through the sanctuary. One sister who was in the 119th street Church in Miami under Elder W.H. Dunn, testified to me how her husband would beat the snot out of her everytime she would go to church service. He would throw her a beating, and then kick her out of the house. Her testimony wasn't getting a busted lop from her husband, but that everytime she would go to church she would shout her hair down. She promised herself that she would get so filled with a move of God, that it would carry her through. Bro, were the old timers a different breed? A sister was in a car accident where her car was rear ended and the gas tank exploded. The impact was so extreme that her driver's seat broke and flipped her into the back of the car where the gas tank ruptured. The fire dept finally came and put out the fire, they believed that no one survived. Until they heard a sound of our sister whimpering from within the car. She was unrecognizably burned over 90% of her body. Yet, I never ever failed to see her testify about her victory in Christ. The overcoming power of Christ lived out in her life, her worship and prayer life. Must of been a different breed, because you teach that these people should be rolled up in the fetal position under the pews. Instead of living in victory shouting on the backs of the pews. There's your warriors my boy.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus doesn't take your memories.

No, He gives you mastery over them.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Salvation doesn't automatically rewire the brain anymore than it automatically sends cancer into remission.

What kind of Apostolic church were you in? I'm as serious as a heart attack. Did you just attend a church where everyone just got dressed. Looked the part, but Jesus was across town? What I found about the Apostolic people, was that they preached Holy Ghost, taught Holy Ghost, lived Holy Ghost, walked Holy Ghost, ate Holy Ghost, and most of all trusted Holy Ghost. They allowed the move of the Holy Ghost, from the pulpit to the door. They had their mind on Jesus and they had church. I'm real sorry, but the First Church of Brillo just don't get'er done.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Would you berate, brow beat, and belittle a saint who continues chemo? You're being a willfully ignorant and clueless abuser.

Chris, drop the act, I'm done with YOUR whining. I don't belittle saints of God. I don't berate saints of God. I don't brow beat saints of God, I do take my can opener and work on tinmen, blow hards, who couldn't give a care, about living for God themselves, therefore block the way for anyone else. How dare you undermine a sinner seeking life eternal, with your sorry excuses. One minute you are claiming you are bawling while you post, only to gather up a second wind and start throwing punches.

I really hope you realize that no one is your enemy, only Satan.

And Only Jesus Christ can vanquish the devil once and for all in your life.

Take His yoke upon you, and learn of Him. He makes it light because He does most of the heavy lifting. Until you come to the place where you can help others

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Bro, I must of been in the company of a way different class of Apostolic men and women. Because none of them ever paraded their bloody corpses through the sanctuary. One sister who was in the 119th street Church in Miami under Elder W.H. Dunn, testified to me how her husband would beat the snot out of her everytime she would go to church service. He would throw her a beating, and then kick her out of the house. Her testimony wasn't getting a busted lop from her husband, but that everytime she would go to church she would shout her hair down. She promised herself that she would get so filled with a move of God, that it would carry her through. Bro, were the old timers a different breed? A sister was in a car accident where her car was rear ended and the gas tank exploded. The impact was so extreme that her driver's seat broke and flipped her into the back of the car where the gas tank ruptured. The fire dept finally came and put out the fire, they believed that no one survived. Until they heard a sound of our sister whimpering from within the car. She was unrecognizably burned over 90% of her body. Yet, I never ever failed to see her testify about her victory in Christ. The overcoming power of Christ lived out in her life, her worship and prayer life. Must of been a different breed, because you teach that these people should be rolled up in the fetal position under the pews. Instead of living in victory shouting on the backs of the pews. There's your warriors my boy.




No, He gives you mastery over them.



What kind of Apostolic church were you in? I'm as serious as a heart attack. Did you just attend a church where everyone just got dressed. Looked the part, but Jesus was across town? What I found about the Apostolic people, was that they preached Holy Ghost, taught Holy Ghost, lived Holy Ghost, walked Holy Ghost, ate Holy Ghost, and most of all trusted Holy Ghost. They allowed the move of the Holy Ghost, from the pulpit to the door. They had their mind on Jesus and they had church. I'm real sorry, but the First Church of Brillo just don't get'er done.



Chris, drop the act, I'm done with YOUR whining. I don't belittle saints of God. I don't berate saints of God. I don't brow beat saints of God, I do take my can opener and work on tinmen, blow hards, who couldn't give a care, about living for God themselves, therefore block the way for anyone else. How dare you undermine a sinner seeking life eternal, with your sorry excuses. One minute you are claiming you are bawling while you post, only to gather up a second wind and start throwing punches.

I really hope you realize that no one is your enemy, only Satan.

And Only Jesus Christ can vanquish the devil once and for all in your life.

Take His yoke upon you, and learn of Him. He makes it light because He does most of the heavy lifting. Until you come to the place where you can help others

First, the 24 year old girl had medical attention that I'm certain her church and family praise God for. I know you probably think she's less of a saint for needing such help, because if she were filled with enough Holy Ghost, she'd have been miraculously healed, right? And second, should she begin to have a serious anxiety disorder in the future related to her shooting, you leave me fully believing that you wouldn't be man enough to advise that while she prays she should see a professional counselor. And thirdly, if she did, shed be a stronger man than you.

It might be years from now. But a car backfiring near her could trigger a reaction that sends her spiraling into a world of internal horror. She's not out of the woods yet. And if you understood anything about trauma, you'd know that. When she limped into church to impress people like you, instead of resting and healing, I bet you didn't even pull her aside and ask if she might need someone to talk to. I bet you never advised that maybe she should talk to someone, or should still be resting. You probably capitalized on her desperate effort to impress your church with accolades of encouragement. You may very well have helped place a ticking time bomb in her soul that could blow her, and her family, apart one day. I pray it doesn't happen, but don't be surprised or berate her if it does. After all, you will have contributed. Her actions are a bad sign, she's not focused on healing. She's focused on desperately proving her worth to a church that isn't worthy of her.

In where I work now, I've seen police officers race back to the job after serious trama, and fall apart months or years later. Such effort to prove one is well in the aftermath of trauma often causes the healing process to become more difficult. This stuff is no joke.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

First, the 24 year old girl had medical attention that I'm certain her church and family praise God for. I know you probably think she's less of a saint for needing such help, because if she were filled with enough Holy Ghost, she'd have been miraculously healed, right? And second, should she begin to have a serious anxiety disorder in the future related to her shooting, you leave me fully believing that you wouldn't be man enough to advise that while she prays she should see a professional counselor. And thirdly, if she did, shed be a stronger man than you.

You took a bullet in the chest? This is interesting how you dealt with what I posted. You took a bullet as military personnel I assume? What war was this? Where were you deployed where you took the bullet? She was walking to her car with another sister. She was shot point blank in the chest, no jacket, no kevlar, point blank, and drove herself to the hospital. What war were you in Chris? You were military, a "medic" you are told this testimony, but you bypass what actually happened to this saint of God. Good going Tarzan, you need help alright, but no amount of talking to a Nazarene psychologist is going to help you while you percolate in your own human will. Grow up Chris. It isn't about you being the winner, having everyone think you are their hero and friend. It is about being honest, who you are in the dark, where no one can see you but Christ. Where you are in your head, while you surf the internet, Having character, and being a character is totally two different things.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It might be years from now. But a car backfiring near her could trigger a reaction that sends her spiraling into a world of internal horror.

Wonderful awesome response from a "man" who seeks more to be right, then hope and faith. Bro, is that your hope for her? Sadly yes, because there is no supernatural Jesus for you. That 24 year old sister isn't a girl who loves Jesus, filled with the Holy Ghost, baptized in JESUS name. Who tells her attacker "God bless you in Jesus name" then takes the bullet. You see it as she is you. All you see in every story is you. Chris just because you can't and won't do something, doesn't mean everyone is like you. Some people don't want religion as a cloak. Some believe this instead of waiting to be an intellectual hero. She was shot by a young black man, is she going to have bad reactions to black men? She was getting into a black car, will she one day have issues with black cars? It happened at night, will she in the future have a problem with going out at night? Bro, you always argue subjects you know little or nothing about. Car backfiring? Do you know how much that happens in the real world? Do you know with cars today they no longer have the ignition systems which causes that issue. Yet, you aren't saying that because that popped in your head, or experience it personally. You say that because you parrot old information from what you have heard or been told by the groups who believe that only psychotherapy saves.

Originally Posted by Aquila

She's not out of the woods yet.

She is doing better than you. That would make any other man reexamine their posture. Not you. Sadly not you. You just want to be the faith killing wet blanket, to reassure her that one day she will be just like you. Instead of just like Christ. You can keep your religion pal, because it couldn't kick start a wet leaf.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And if you understood anything about trauma, you'd know that.

Aquila the expert and hero. Sorry, but we understand and know the power of the Holy Ghost, the mighty God in Christ. You just know boundaries which confine you outside of Eden.

Originally Posted by Aquila

When she limped into church to impress people like you,

Good job Chris, you prove beyond all doubt that you are a classless act.

Jealous that a little girl upstaged you?

Were you the guy who sat in testimony services glancing at his watch. Because everyone was taking to long? While you were chafing at the bit to tell everyone how you leap tall buildings in a single bound? Or to tell them how humble and broken you are? But MeeMaw is taking too long telling everyone how her lost grandchildren are currently living for God? How she seen God's promises to her fulfilled after her years of dedicated prayer?

It's all about you?

Originally Posted by Aquila

instead of resting and healing, I bet you didn't even pull her aside and ask if she might need someone to talk to.

No, she was too busy testifying about the goodness of the Holy Ghost.

You would of formed a drum circle?

Originally Posted by Aquila

I bet you never advised that maybe she should talk to someone, or should still be resting.

She did talk to someone, she talked with Jesus Christ? You know, the guy who always upstages you? The one who we are supposed to tell people to go to? The one who is the King, the Pastor, the Leader, the Doctor? Oh, you must believe that If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia. You want church to be a MASH unit?

Originally Posted by Aquila

You probably capitalized on her desperate effort to impress your church with accolades of encouragement.

No, that's what you would do. You use people as props in your argument. I just happen to have a sister who took a bullet in the chest. When you tore open your own shirt in the thread to show us how right you are. Everything is about you, nothing else matters, it is all about what you experience. If you can't chew gum, then no one can chew gum. Instead of measuring ourselves with Christ, you want us to measure up to you. You can't do it then no one can do it it. First Church of Rusted Brillo has claimed another victim.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You may very well have helped place a ticking time bomb in her soul that could blow her, and her family, apart one day.

Talk about poster scare tactics? Back in the day you would of marched her to the edge of the snake pit, and kicked her in head first. No, Chris, she has Jesus Christ as her pastor. Thank God in heaven that she doesn't have faith killing selfish ego maniac leading her to a pit. You are such a hero, ready to save the world by placing a rock around its neck to see if they can float.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I pray it doesn't happen,

More Christian jargon motivated by legalism? How on earth are we supposed to believe that? You have just posted the words of a prophet of doom. She doesn't need you doing anything for her, only to stay away from her. You don't want her victory.That would prove you wrong. You want her drooling and rocking back and forth. Wincing when a metal tray hits the ground. So, you can look smug and somber, welling up in your ego. Chris the Holy Ghost is real, and you can't stand it.

Originally Posted by Aquila

but don't be surprised or berate her if it does.

No, you are the one who who sends women into the house to change their garment with tears in their eyes. You see Aquila, not everyone is like you. We aren't measured by what you have done. Christ is the measuring rod not you.

Originally Posted by Aquila

After all, you will have contributed. Her actions are a bad sign, she's not focused on healing. She's focused on desperately proving her worth to a church that isn't worthy of her.

That's your hopes for her, you are going to pray for her? Save your breath to cool your porridge?

In where I work now, I've seen police officers race back to the job after serious trama, and fall apart months or years later. [/quote]

Bro, you don't believe the Holy Ghost is the answer for anyone. Therefore how is that relevant to what we are talking about? You don't believe in the supernatural conversion that is why you are no longer Pentecostal, but a Christain humanist. You believe that those officers need to be put on Beta blockers? Aquila? Want to know why your a crash site? Because you don't believe any of this is real. The Bible is just a story book for you, Jesus was Gandalf, in a make believe world. Why? Because it doesn't work for you. You will find out as you get older that this garbage your peddling won't work for you either. I just hope you find an altar.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Such effort to prove one is well in the aftermath of trauma often causes the healing process to become more difficult. This stuff is no joke.

No "its" not a joke. You sadly are a joke.

You need to find God, you need to find Him fast. You need to do it asap. You need Jesus Christ's Holy Power worse than the breath of life.

You are extremely caught in your own human will, smothered by ego, and you don't believe God is real anymore. Because you can't leap tall buildings, you can't stop a bullet, and walk into Church with the Holy Ghost glow. You scowl at her, because you are not her.

We are not to measure ourselves among ourselves, we are to allow Jesus to transform us by the renewing of our minds. Not the shrinking of our heads