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01-16-2018, 02:54 PM
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Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Water baptism IN JESUS NAME is a must!
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Depends on what the meaning of EIS is.
I’d like your answer, though I think I already know the answer.
Ok. I don’t know how to ask... I’ll just type anyway. Before I was baptized I was taught the purpose for baptism. They were not going to baptize me without going over it. So, I believed (faith) that my sins would be forgiven during baptism. And I was baptized.
Others teach that baptism is just for (list of reasons), but forgiveness of sins is not one of them. If they do not believe that baptism is for the remission of sin, is their baptism in vain? Are their sins forgiven?
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01-16-2018, 09:47 PM
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Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
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Depends on what the meaning of EIS is.
I’d like your answer, though I think I already know the answer.
Ok. I don’t know how to ask... I’ll just type anyway. Before I was baptized I was taught the purpose for baptism. They were not going to baptize me without going over it. So, I believed (faith) that my sins would be forgiven during baptism. And I was baptized.
Others teach that baptism is just for (list of reasons), but forgiveness of sins is not one of them. If they do not believe that baptism is for the remission of sin, is their baptism in vain? Are their sins forgiven?
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Maybe I've read too many Campbellite authors but I tend to believe that a person must intend to have their sins remitted by the blood in water baptism in order for it to be a genuinely apostolic baptism. In other words, the person being baptized should understand that baptism is "when" one's sins are washed away, by calling upon the Lord in faith.
However, I suspect that a person who only thinks in terms of "Jesus said do it, I want to follow Him, so I'm doing it" is probably covered. I do think if a person believes they are getting baptized as a public statement they have already been saved (Baptist type baptism) then their baptism is highly irregular at best, and possibly invalid.
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01-17-2018, 03:07 AM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
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Originally Posted by houston
Depends on what the meaning of EIS is.
I’d like your answer, though I think I already know the answer.
Ok. I don’t know how to ask... I’ll just type anyway. Before I was baptized I was taught the purpose for baptism. They were not going to baptize me without going over it. So, I believed (faith) that my sins would be forgiven during baptism. And I was baptized.
Others teach that baptism is just for (list of reasons), but forgiveness of sins is not one of them. If they do not believe that baptism is for the remission of sin, is their baptism in vain? Are their sins forgiven?
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Just so the KJV Nazis don’t get upset, the best way to explain the EIS “for” is with Matthew 26:28. Jesus’ blood wasn’t shed because their sins were already remitted. His blood is for the remittance. Therefore Acts 2:38 follows this.
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01-17-2018, 10:57 AM
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Isaiah 56:4-5
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Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Just so the KJV Nazis don’t get upset, the best way to explain the EIS “for” is with Matthew 26:28. Jesus’ blood wasn’t shed because their sins were already remitted. His blood is for the remittance. Therefore Acts 2:38 follows this. |
Excellent!
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01-17-2018, 11:03 AM
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This is still that!
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Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Just so the KJV Nazis don’t get upset, the best way to explain the EIS “for” is with Matthew 26:28. Jesus’ blood wasn’t shed because their sins were already remitted. His blood is for the remittance. Therefore Acts 2:38 follows this. |
awesome post, thank you!
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01-21-2018, 03:22 PM
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Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Just so the KJV Nazis don’t get upset, the best way to explain the EIS “for” is with Matthew 26:28. Jesus’ blood wasn’t shed because their sins were already remitted. His blood is for the remittance. Therefore Acts 2:38 follows this. |
Could it be argued that repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus, is because of what Jesus did to remit sins, per allignmemt w Matt.26:28 “blood purchase”?
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01-21-2018, 05:29 PM
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Re: Water baptism is not vital for salvation?
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Originally Posted by JamesGlen
Could it be argued that repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus, is because of what Jesus did to remit sins, per allignmemt w Matt.26:28 “blood purchase”?
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Then it would also flip side back tyo Matthew 26:28 in that Jesus blood was shed for many because their sins had already been remitted.
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