2 Peter 3

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Or better yet why not let Jesus Christ, the Lord of both the Old and New Testament teach us? He was fully aware of and knowledgeable of the things the prophets saw and spoke of. He spoke of his coming again for his people, the end times, and trained his apostles so they would get his message out.

MTD once again no one is disputing these things, just your interpretation of the time table of events. You are totally overlooking 2000 years of events. Would you at least admit the great falling away has happened, beginning in the 3rd century?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

MTD once again no one is disputing these things, just your interpretation of the time table of events. You are totally overlooking 2000 years of events. Would you at least admit the great falling away has happened, beginning in the 3rd century?

Friend,

You dont seem to be able to even understand that there are those on the forum who are full preterists. Meaning they believe Jesus came in 70ad, the resurrection of the dead took place at that time.

Ask MBlume what is the difference in what he believes and what Benincasa believes. Maybe coming from that direction your eyes will be opened. If you cant understand whats going on here it would do little good to talk about the falling away.

IMO someone teaching Jesus came in 70 ad, resurrected the dead saints, then translated the living saints to "glory" is as FALLEN AWAY as is possible.

Nothing is more foolish and laughable than that.

And yet, people are acting as if they are really being fed off such nonsense, and either they cant see whats actually being said or they are PRETENDING they cant see.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Friend,

You dont seem to be able to even understand that there are those on the forum who are full preterists. Meaning they believe Jesus came in 70ad, the resurrection of the dead took place at that time.

Ask MBlume what is the difference in what he believes and what Benincasa believes. Maybe coming from that direction your eyes will be opened. If you cant understand whats going on here it would do little good to talk about the falling away.

IMO someone teaching Jesus came in 70 ad, resurrected the dead saints, then translated the living saints to "glory" is as FALLEN AWAY as is possible.

Nothing is more foolish and laughable than that.

And yet, people are acting as if they are really being fed off such nonsense, and either they cant see whats actually being said or they are PRETENDING they cant see.

You do realize there are only about four full preterists here, only one of whom posts more often than say once a month, if that?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You do realize there are only about four full preterists here, only one of whom posts more often than say once a month, if that?

My point is to CHOSEN because he does not understand there are ANY here.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

MTD once again no one is disputing these things, just your interpretation of the time table of events. You are totally overlooking 2000 years of events. Would you at least admit the great falling away has happened, beginning in the 3rd century?

I am not overlooking events of the past. I understand like Peter was trying to teach the saints that with God a thousand years is as one day and one day is as a thousand years.

There was a great falling away from the faith. Now there has been a (at least partial) restoration of the faith. At the time of the end there will be another falling away.
You may notice things can repeat themselves during the many centuries we are talking about.

Yet there is only ONE SPECIFIC time prophesied when Jesus will actually COME AND GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT, including the resurrection and the rapture.

Thats what this is all about

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I am not overlooking events of the past. I understand like Peter was trying to teach the saints that with God a thousand years is as one day and one day is as a thousand years.

There was a great falling away from the faith. Now there has been a (at least partial) restoration of the faith. At the time of the end there will be another falling away.
You may notice things can repeat themselves during the many centuries we are talking about.

Yet there is only ONE SPECIFIC time prophesied when Jesus will actually COME AND GATHER TOGETHER HIS ELECT, including the resurrection and the rapture.

Thats what this is all about

MTD I've talked to 2 of them privately and they don't believe even see that event the way you see it. Neither would say that the coming of the Lord that Jesus came once and for all time in 70 AD. Now some Jesuit pretrist may believe that, and claim this is the millennium while these people are not saying that at all. What they are saying is they don't see those events in what would be a orthodox Way. One told me "that the ressurection happens when you die, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

Now no one I repeat no one said Jesus came in 70 AD once and for all. So therefore it's not the same as the teaching of hymenaeus and Philetus. So your argument is moot. You can't even understand their argument, because you keep saying this is what they believe. The thing is they don't see this event the same, so you using your position and view and making claims from it is totally off, because they don't even see it like that at all. But you keep saying it and keep saying it.

But they could be wrong but let me help you rest assure their view is just as wrong as yours. I agree to a certain extent to all these different views. If they didn't have anything true to them no one would believe it, but I look for what's right and throw the bones away. Somewhere in between all of this is the truth. But the Great Tribulation so called is not Biblical so for us to be using that as a marker for pre mid or post of this event is off in itself.