If UR were true, then why do we read that only those who call upon the Lord have the riches of God awarded their way?
Rom 10:12-15 KJV For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. (13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Sounds like we need no preachers, since all will be saved anyway. Yet, Paul said only those who call on Him shall be saved.
UR is a doctrine that totally is unaware of the purpose of the cross and its centrality in God's plan. The cross makes people NEW CREATURES. And by the time it's all over with, all things that are OLD are gone. Only that which is new remains.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
If UR were true, then why do we read that only those who call upon the Lord have the riches of God awarded their way?
Rom 10:12-15 KJV For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. (13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? (15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Sounds like we need no preachers, since all will be saved anyway. Yet, Paul said only those who call on Him shall be saved.
UR is a doctrine that totally is unaware of the purpose of the cross and its centrality in God's plan. The cross makes people NEW CREATURES. And by the time it's all over with, all things that are OLD are gone. Only that which is new remains.
That's like saying that because everyone is going to be saved from a sinking ship, that rescuers should not make any effort to rescue them.
All shall eventually recognize their need and call on the Lord, until that happens they will not enter into His life. In the mean time they are wasting their time and life, perishing.
It is only thru the cross of Christ and its proclamation the folks can enter into His life. He is the door, whether now or later everyone must enter thru the door.
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The only reason why God created man is because he was disappointed with the monkey.
Mark Twain
Autobiographical Dictation (1906)
Mark had a sense of humor, didn't he! lol
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Isaiah 54:7-8: "For a brief moment I deserted you, but with great compassion I will gather you. In overflowing anger for a moment I hid my face from you, but with everlasting love I will have compassion on you, says the Lord, your Redeemer."
Psalm 30:5: "For His anger is but for a moment, and His favor is for a lifetime."
Psalm 103:9-10: "He will not always chide, nor will He keep His anger forever, He does not deal with us according to our sins, nor repay us according to our iniquities."
"O death, where are your plagues? O Sheol, where is your sing?" Hosea 13.14
Why did God create mankind? Temporal, individual and national judgment does not equal endless destruction or endless torture.
That's like saying that because everyone is going to be saved from a sinking ship, that rescuers should not make any effort to rescue them.
All shall eventually recognize their need and call on the Lord, until that happens they will not enter into His life. In the mean time they are wasting their time and life, perishing.
It is only thru the cross of Christ and its proclamation the folks can enter into His life. He is the door, whether now or later everyone must enter thru the door.
We reach to everyone, obviously, since we;ve been committed with the word of reconciliation. But some will not believe, now, nor ever. We are never told ALL WILL believe. All will bow and confess, but not all will believe. Comapre that with: the devils believe also and tremble.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
We reach to everyone, obviously, since we;ve been committed with the word of reconciliation. But some will not believe, now, nor ever. We are never told ALL WILL believe. All will bow and confess, but not all will believe. Comapre that with: the devils believe also and tremble.
Uh. Just trying to understand this.... If they don't believe, why would they bow and confess?
And just supposing that it's the belief part that would save them, and since they don't believe, they aren't going to be saved.... yes, like you said, compare that with the devils believing (and trembling). They believe, but they aren't saved, right?
Confused.
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Uh. Just trying to understand this.... If they don't believe, why would they bow and confess?
It's luike the Old testament conquest of kings where they were forced to bow to the king who conquered them in show of victory over them. Did they like to bow and honour their conqueror? I do not think so.
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And just supposing that it's the belief part that would save them, and since they don't believe, they aren't going to be saved.... yes, like you said, compare that with the devils believing (and trembling). They believe, but they aren't saved, right?
Confused.
VERY good questions.
Belief in faith is the key. Faith that works. Faith without works is dead. The works that makle faith alive are actions that occur BECAUSE we actually believe. This is what John the baptist meant when he siad the pharisees should show forth fruit meet for repentance. In other words, heartfelt belief due to love occurs and produces actions as a result. The heart does two things. Believes and loves. Satan believes there is one God, but he has not works to make his fath living and saving faith, to use James' extreme example..
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
It's luike the Old testament conquest of kings where they were forced to bow to the king who conquered them in show of victory over them. Did they like to bow and honour their conqueror? I do not think so.
VERY good questions.
Belief in faith is the key. Faith that works. Faith without works is dead. The works that makle faith alive are actions that occur BECAUSE we actually believe. This is what John the baptist meant when he siad the pharisees should show forth fruit meet for repentance. In other words, heartfelt belief due to love occurs and produces actions as a result. The heart does two things. Believes and loves. Satan believes there is one God, but he has not works to make his fath living and saving faith, to use James' extreme example..
I see, thanks.
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