1. I did not read the other thread. The posts I find offensive are contained in this one.
2. Jesus created wine. Yet God's Word condemns drunkenness, and according to what I read in scripture, those at that particular wedding were drunk. So why was He there? Why did He give them more to drink? Can you explain that apparent contradiction?
BINGO!!!!!! I was trying to lead these folks there one post at a time, but you beat me to the punch. LOL!
BINGO!!!!!! I was trying to lead these folks there one post at a time, but you beat me to the punch. LOL!
Well...you explain away the contradiction by saying that the wine wasn't alcoholic, right? (Or possibly not....) I can't definitively agree with that, so a contradiction is apparent, even to me.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Well...you explain away the contradiction by saying that the wine wasn't alcoholic, right? (Or possibly not....) I can't definitively agree with that, so a contradiction is apparent, even to me.
Miss Bratt
If it aids with the apparent contradiction. John says they were "well drunk".
Most Bible commentators agree that this is not the lost of senses type drunk one would usually associate with the word. The host was implying you don't save the best beverage for last after everyone has pretty much eaten and "drunk" their fill.
While it is also entirely reasonable to assume some were indeed drunk, I prefer the first and majority view.
Well...you explain away the contradiction by saying that the wine wasn't alcoholic, right? (Or possibly not....) I can't definitively agree with that, so a contradiction is apparent, even to me.
I understand sis, but I do not believe that it was actually wine that had alcohol in it.
BINGO!!!!!! I was trying to lead these folks there one post at a time, but you beat me to the punch. LOL!
Like many Biblical contradictions, there is more than one way to get around it. I guess your favorite is to claim that the wine Jesus made was non-alcoholic?
Here's another one: the Bible forbids habitual drunkenness, but not the occasional indulgence for celebrations such as weddings. There is a night-and-day difference between the angry, mean drunk who abuses his family and the loud, silly partier who's just having a good time with other wedding guests. (And not driving!)
Hey, it's just a theory!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Like many Biblical contradictions, there is more than one way to get around it. I guess your favorite is to claim that the wine Jesus made was non-alcoholic?
Here's another one: the Bible forbids habitual drunkenness, but not the occasional indulgence for celebrations such as weddings. There is a night-and-day difference between the angry, mean drunk who abuses his family and the loud, silly partier who's just having a good time with other wedding guests. (And not driving!)
Hey, it's just a theory!
Not all party-ers are just "loud" and "silly."
So should drinking only be forbidden from those who suffer ill effects on their character and morals?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
True. Meant to address that in my post, and forgot.
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So should drinking only be forbidden from those who suffer ill effects on their character and morals?
Sure, why not?
Like I said, it was a theory, and I'm not sure I even buy into it entirely. But I think it has some merit. Possibly more merit than the water-into-Welch's theory!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Like many Biblical contradictions, there is more than one way to get around it. I guess your favorite is to claim that the wine Jesus made was non-alcoholic?
Here's another one: the Bible forbids habitual drunkenness, but not the occasional indulgence for celebrations such as weddings. There is a night-and-day difference between the angry, mean drunk who abuses his family and the loud, silly partier who's just having a good time with other wedding guests. (And not driving!)
Like many Biblical contradictions, there is more than one way to get around it. I guess your favorite is to claim that the wine Jesus made was non-alcoholic?
Here's another one: the Bible forbids habitual drunkenness, but not the occasional indulgence for celebrations such as weddings. There is a night-and-day difference between the angry, mean drunk who abuses his family and the loud, silly partier who's just having a good time with other wedding guests. (And not driving!)
Hey, it's just a theory!
That is my claim based upon my studies and teaching Timmy.
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