PAW and COGIC Merger?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

There are multiplied millions that are filled with the Holy Ghost and live sanctified lives that have never heard of any Baptism in Jesus name - just as Johns disciples.

"Never heard" of it? How could this be, if they read the Bible ?? In the New Testament, we don't see the Apostles baptizing any other way but into the name of Jesus.

Is it that they never heard of it, or that they just don't pay it much mind?

I suspect in too many cases, it's the latter. I have come across more than a few Trinitarians who are fully aware of the doctrine of Jesus name baptism, but who simply brush it aside as unimportant, a non-issue.

As soon as John's disciples became aware of what was required of them as far as Jesus name baptism, they submitted to it. Too many Trinitarians would rather argue and rationalize their position, trying to justify themselves, rather than obey the the Apostles' NT teaching and practice in this regard.

Its apparent to me that since many Trinitarians view Jesus name baptism as a "Oneness-related" or "UPC" doctrine, rather than what it is -- a New Testament doctrine, many of them feel that to get re-baptized over in Jesus name would be to capitulate to "those people" and "their doctrine". Its unfortunate that some would allow to allow stubbornness, pride, and/or misplaced denominational loyalties to cloud their best judgment, rather than simply obey what God wants them to do.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

"Never heard" of it? How could this be, if they read the Bible ?? In the New Testament, we don't see the Apostles baptizing any other way but into the name of Jesus.

Is it that they never heard of it, or that they just don't pay it much mind?

I say that they don't pay attention. Unless the Word has changed being baptized in Jesus name is required for salvation.

[nahkoe]

That's all true, but don't tell me people don't make good sheep. They like doing what some leader tells them to do, especially if they don't have to think to do it.

I'll be honest and say that even though I saw that baptism was necessary, I never saw the difference between the titles and the name of Jesus. Granted, I was 16 and not doing any of the baptizing myself. lol Now, God made sure I had a chance to hear that too. I'm pretty confident He'll take care of those who really seek Him.

Originally Posted by TRFrance

"Never heard" of it? How could this be, if they read the Bible ?? In the New Testament, we don't see the Apostles baptizing any other way but into the name of Jesus.

Is it that they never heard of it, or that they just don't pay it much mind?

I suspect in too many cases, it's the latter. I have come across more than a few Trinitarians who are fully aware of the doctrine of Jesus name baptism, but who simply brush it aside as unimportant, a non-issue.

As soon as John's disciples became aware of what was required of them as far as Jesus name baptism, they submitted to it. Too many Trinitarians would rather argue and rationalize their position, trying to and justify themselves, rather than obey the the Apostles' NT teaching and practice in this regard.

Its apparent to me that since many Trinitarians view Jesus name baptism as a "Oneness-related" or "UPC" doctrine, rather than what it is -- a New Testament doctrine, many of them feel that to get re-baptized over in Jesus name would be to capitulate to "those people" and "their doctrine". Its unfortunate that some would allow to allow stubbornness, pride, and/or misplaced denominational loyalties to cloud their best judgment, rather than simply obey what God wants them to do.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

That's all true, but don't tell me people don't make good sheep. They like doing what some leader tells them to do, especially if they don't have to think to do it.

I'll be honest and say that even though I saw that baptism was necessary, I never saw the difference between the titles and the name of Jesus. Granted, I was 16 and not doing any of the baptizing myself. lol Now, God made sure I had a chance to hear that too. I'm pretty confident He'll take care of those who really seek Him.

Well said.

One of the silliest arguments I've heard some make is the one that says "Well, I'd rather obey what Jesus said, than what Peter said on the day of Pentecost"

This of course presupposes that what Peter taught and practiced was contradictory to what Jesus instructed, rather than a fulfillment of Jesus' words. They seem to willfully ignore that fact that Paul and the rest of NT church clearly had the same practice.

It is, frankly, one of the lamer arguments used against Jesus name baptism; but it brings to mind the old saying that "a drowning man will clutch at a straw". When people are hell-bent (pardon the pun?) on following their tradition, they'll come up with just whatever argument, to justify themselves.

[nahkoe]

[QUOTE=TRFrance;297961]Well said.

One of the silliest arguments I've heard some make is the one that says "Well, I'd rather obey what Jesus said, than what Peter said on the day of Pentecost"

This of course presupposes that what Peter taught and practiced was contradictory to what Jesus instructed, rather than a fulfillment of Jesus' words. They seem to willfully ignore that fact that Paul and the rest of NT church clearly had the same practice.

It is, frankly, one of the lamer arguments used against Jesus name baptism; but it brings to mind the old saying that "a drowning man will clutch at a straw". When people are hell-bent (pardon the pun?) on following their tradition, they'll come up with just whatever argument, to justify themselves.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes they will. The arguments don't need to make any sense at all either. It's kind of sad.